Im not sure how they work. I know all raids reset weekly on Tuesday. For guilds that are progressing how do lockout extensions work? Do they go back into a raid the same week and extend on one toon, or after reset go into the same raid (heroic or mythic) and extend it, then that toon has to enter the instance first? Then anyone can join but will be locked to the extended one? I assume people do this once they don’t need to farm early mythic bosses and go straight back to bosses still on prog?
If someone extends a raid lock out nobody else is locked from the raid as it resets for everyone else every Tuesday?
I guess both? Like on Tuesday morning there are a ton of heroic fyrak only raids ready to go. Is that because a toon has extended a lock out and they keep doing that weekly?
Also how is it different on mythic. For example I’m loot locked to a mythic gnarlroot kill. What if I extend the raid this week if I want to go start straight on the second boss?
As far as I can tell ,if you’re in that group you are locked to that instance ,so you can’t do it over again but only on that progress you made the other week.
For Heroic, there isn’t a hard raid ID lockout, there is a loot lockout, and the bosses adjust to the first person zoning in.
Example 1: Brewa has killed the first 8 bosses, but not Fyrakk. If there is a fresh raid instance, and Brewa forms a raid, and Brewa is the raid lead, and Brewa zones in FIRST, all 8 bosses (and their trash) that are dead on Brewa’s lockout will not be there. Anyone who enters the raid instance will go straight to Fyrakk, who is there.
Example 2: Brewa has killed all of the bosses except Fyrakk AND Igira. If there is a fresh raid instance, and Brewa forms a raid, and Brewa is the raid lead, and Brewa zones in FIRST, Igira and Fyrakk will be alive. Anybody who zones in will be at the start and must get past Igira in order to them proceed to the Smolderon bridge and room (but Smolderon will not be there, nor will Tindral) and can go on to Fyrakk.
Example 3: If you start a fresh raid with all 9 bosses up, and Brewa has already killed 8 of the bosses (except, I dunno, Volcoros), Brewa can still enter the instance to help you. Brewa cannot get any loot except off of Volcoross because Brewa hasn’t killed Volcoross. Nor will Brewa add to the number of items that drop (1 per 5 people). However, Brewa can certainly come and help.
Example 4: Brewa has killed u bosses (but not Volocross) and you have killed 8 bosses (but not Fyrakk). You form the raid and zone in first. The first 8 bosses are dead. Fyrakk is alive. People zone in at Fyrakk. Brewa has killed Fyrakk so gets no loot and cannot add to the amount of loot that drops, since Brewa has killed Fyrakk, but can still help fight the boss.
Oh, and I should have added. Here’s how the monkey business works.
Let’s take example #1:
If Brewa forms a raid, and invites a bunch of people:
Only Fyrakk will be there, since Brewa has killed the other 8.
Everyone zones in at Fyrakk
If Brewa kills Fyrakk, then Brewa is now 9/9 and any future raids that Brewa enters first as raid lead will be empty.
However, Brewa can come help other people in their raids, but can’t get loot and doesn’t add to the amount of loot that drops.
HOWEVER:
If Brewa enters the raid, as above, and then LEAVES, without killing the boss… Fyrakk’s still there. And everyone can kill him. And then Brewa can take that 8/9 Heroic lockout and do the exact same thing all over again.
Great explanation I guess that is how people like a rl saves heroic fyrak for easy quick kills, locks a toon and exits and replaced with whatever they want.
But for mythic if you extend it on Tuesday you lock everyone else to it? What’s stopping a pug formed and kills gnarlroot from then starting thier own raid the next week and if they don’t need gnarlroot loot that week. Does that screw the other 19 pugs on thier reset?
Mythic uses the original lockout system implemented with Molten Core and used in most raids until relatively recently.
The easiest way to think of Mythic is to realize that every Mythic lockout has a numerical raid ID. (In fact, the exact ID used to display on your character’s raid panel until they added the loot lockout system for lower difficulties.)
So let’s say we go in on Mythic and kill Gnarlroot. Both of us are saved to raid ID 8675309 or whatever.
Let’s say you don’t need anything off Igira, so you leave and our friend who needs Igira comes in. He gets saved immediately to raid ID 8675309. Gnarlroot is already dead to his saved ID so there’s no way for him to fight Gnarlroot this week.
After we kill Igira, you come back in. Igira is already dead. Let’s say we kill Volcoross, too. Raid ID 8675309 is now 3/9 with Gnarlroot, Igira, and Volcoross dead.
Let’s say after raid you want to turn in a quest in the raid, so you form a raid with somebody and set it to Mythic and zone in. Those 3 bosses are dead, because in raid ID 8675309 they’re all dead.
It doesn’t matter that you never fought Igira. Igira is dead in that raid ID.
Let’s say, over the weekend, you (saved to Mythic raid ID 8675309) want to help out a friend who’s saved to their guild’s raid ID of 5553311.
You can’t.
You can’t enter raid ID 5553311 instances because you are already saved to raid ID 8675309. It won’t even let you enter.
The other 19 would have to leave before the lead extends the raid in order to do the next week raid. If you’re with the lead when it happens you’re in for a surprise the next week. the lock out can last for two weeks ,if I’m correct.