I’ve played rogue for a very long time. Still my favorite class, I can’t help but feel gimped though. Frequently asking what I bring to the table in raids/M+. I play sub because it’s fun even if outlaw is better. I’ve been benched recently on a team because “lack of utility” and “other classes are just better”. Melee in general get shafted all the time. Why bring a rogue when you can bring almost any other class? We don’t offer any substantial buffs, or do better than average damage. Also the fact that we are melee. We have cloak to soak certain mechanics (gimping our DPS btw) and whatnot but we are still less of a priority next to classes with buffs or better utility. I used to be a cutting edge player but now heroic raiding will satisfy me as I have obligations and a life. That being said, I’m at a point where I still want to upgrade my gear and play my rogue but can’t find a team to progress with. AOTC is unlikely as pug groups want players who are already AOTC. I’m 9/10H with 0 pulls on Sire because no one wants to give me a shot even with decent parses and Raider IO. I’ve been reduced to doing a few M+ every week and a bit of PVP in hopes that I can get an upgrade from the vault. Not trying to sound whiny or anything, but why bring a rogue to your party?
I thought about maybe giving rogues a shadow clone ability to place a fake copy of themselves at a certain location. That would be a cool soak utility for us.
Buffing our damage a bit, maybe reverting how shuriken storm used to give us combo stacks for increase damage back like in Tomb of Sargeras.
Flat out Eviscerate damage buff.
Just make us useful, and more of a DPS priority for a group invites, playing alone isn’t fun. Pugging can get tedious.
I think Sub is pretty strong in PVP, but wish it was better in PVE. It’s not scaling well in PVE and I’m not excited about respecing to outlaw. An overall base melee damage buff and shuriken / black powder buff is needed imo.
It’s frustrating if you want to play different types of content.
In dungeons, it is strong in outlaw spec, but the utility of shroud and such is not as necessary as in the past. At least we have a lot of kicks. But of course, the mechanics in dungeons hurt melee quite a lot this time around. I’m jealous of my hunter partners.
Sub seems fun in pvp, but with loot how it is, it’s tough to get 2 sets of weapons. Frustrating that outlaw uses completely different weapons from sub and sin.
And if I was raiding, I probably wouldn’t have gone rogue at all. I personally don’t like raiding in melee, and from what I’m hearing from my friends, it is a very unfriendly melee raid, currently.
Anyway, I feel your pain. Pure dps classes should always hit hard, regardless of spec. And that’s not the case overall right now.
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You probably got benched because your logs aren’t very good.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/iltoxic
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Having to find a pair of swords better than my daggers is pretty much the only reason why I haven’t dabbled into outlaw. The legendary wouldn’t be much of a problem.
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Both outlaw and sub/sin work with sword in one hand and dagger in the other, vice versa.
Lol, my parse average is better than yours. With most of my bad parses being on content that I’ve only downed once or twice. Not that I’m upset about being benched or anything. It’s just a game, and they ended up wiping for 3.5 hours straight with little to no progression.
Sure I’m not the greatest but rogues in general aren’t in a very good spot, they are typically the first class to be benched depending on raid composition. There’s literally 0 reason for you to disagree but whatever floats your boat champ.
In addition to buffing rogues, Blizzard should buff the forums and give us a Reaction feature. Then, you could simply react to posts like his with a 
emoji and move on with your life.
Your average is only better because of my early death on sludgefist.
Individually mine are better.
You also have better gear than I do 
I hope you guys aren’t arguing about PvE 
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Only one of them is, and it’s not even relevant to the thread.
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Wasn’t even arguing.
Dude said he was benched because he’s a rogue. He was benched because he’s doing green and blue parses in heroic.
Rogues may not be top dog at the moment but they aren’t bottom barrel or completely worthless. The issue rogues have is the utility they bring can be done by a class doing more dps and has more utility (DK)
Even then that only matters in world first/top100 guilds.
You were arguing the fact that I was benched due to my performance rather than my class. But when you already have rogues and only 1 of them is a trial you know which will sit. So evidently you are incorrect. I was benched because a 25 man raid comp won’t even benefit from 1 rogue let alone 3. You are blatantly wrong in the stance of attacking my logs at this point. Not only are you a worse player than me statistically, you are also factually incorrect. And my point still stands. Why bring a single rogue into your raid composition when you can bring literally any other class and benefit more from it.
Edited because I wanted to add that you can only benefit from agreeing if you are a rogue so your entire stance on the argument is flawed to the core. Also the fact that I’m parsing purple on fight that I’ve downed more than twice, makes me think you’re either trolling or just have a smooth brain.
Additionally, you aren’t even contributing to my ideas that would make the class better. Which is what forums are intended for. You instantly attacked me.
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I actually never attacked you. I pointed out your logs as to why you were benched. You then got salty because it’s true.
If you want to compare logs you only
Have a higher average because of an extra boss kill.
You have more greens and blues than I do WHILE having a higher ilvl. Next week when we kill sludgefist again and I’m not killed after first pillar due to someone breaking chains I’ll probably leapfrog you. Time will tell. We can address that next week if you want.
Back to the actual topic.
While rogues aren’t in the best shape we certainly aren’t in the worst spot either. We aren’t even full renown or gear yet and considering how good rogues scale with gear in comparison to other classes time will also tell.
TLDR your using rogue as an excuse as to why you got benched.
You aren’t even contributing to this thread. Nothing you have typed is progressive. No sense in having a regressive conversation with a thick skulled troll boy.
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Maybe improve your parses instead of blaming the class.
Your statements lost any credibility the moment you admitted to being one of three rogues and a trial trimmed for the mythic team.
Your performances as a trial is why you got benched.
I’m not denying that rogues aren’t in the best spot currently need some help in the utility department to make rogues more attractive for a hard core team. However that only applies to top 100 guilds. If your guild isn’t pushing that then it’s a non issue. Considering your entire heroic clears only have 2 purple parses and the rest are green/blue is why you got sat. Especially on Xymoc which is one of subs best fights.
You do realize that parses are not a reflection of individual skill/performance, right? Oh, no? You’re just a contrarian? Okay.
Uh what?
Parses are literally displaying your performance.
No dude. And let me emphasize “individual” performance. If your raid group takes 5 minutes to kill Shriekwing, it doesn’t matter how well you did, you’re not going to get a good parse.
Sure that may be a small factor but my worst xymoc kill beats his best xymoc kill and there’s a difference of 11 seconds.
He also had better gear.