why did they remove mind sear (is that the name, not sure?) for AOE dps? it was a great ability, why remove it?
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Yeah, I liked that ability. I was looking for it when I came back.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=199484/psychic-link causes all your single target damage to be dealt to any target afflicted by vampiric touch within LoS / range.
Use shadow crash to apply DoTs to everything at the start of the pack and then single target the thing with the most health, cleaving onto everything else.
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I also thought it was crazy logging in and not seeing mind sear. I feel like it was a pretty core priest ability for a while and I loved its usefulness in pvp. Hate how much a class identity can change
And what happens when Vampiric Touch falls off?
Mind Sear was a much better way of doing it.
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You re apply it with shadow crash or it doesn’t fall off because void bolt extends your dots far beyond the length of any realistic trash pull. It has worked exceptionally well this tier, so well in fact that blizzard repeatedly nerfed it and are trying to push us away from doing it with the tier set they’ve chosen for next patch.
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If you don’t have everyone doted with a vampire touch, you are doing something wrong. All it did is give you one more button in a class that already has too many buttons.
Yea I loved using it in pvp. Wish they would’ve left it in the tree as a option.
Removing mind sear was just stupid. Shadow needs an AoE that can be spammed. Relying on casting DoTs and PLink is just awful anywhere that you have packs of low health mobs.
It shows up even more while leveling it’s almost as if the developers forgot that part of the game even exists. But I guess that’s why they sell boosts proper class design isn’t needed if you can just skip over the inconvenient parts of the game.
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I keep wishing for 2 charges of shadow crash at least. it’s our only AOE unless you mindbender + mind blast when specd that way.
Do you like pressing your Shadow Crash button? Or do you only press it because we have no other choice to spread dots?
Shadow Crash is a terrible spell from a mechanical perspective. Granting it 2 charges just puts bandaid on a festering wound. It needs to be removed and replaced imo.
We have so many other spells that can replace Shadow Crash.
More work to do for shadow beyond the dot spreading / management portion, but if we are going to tackle Shadowy Crash, I think it needs to be removed or an option with another spell to compete with dot spreading.
i’m starting to think you’re doing more harm to the class than good by spreading all your suggestions for priest all over the place, here, and on every PTR or beta forum.
shadow crash since dragonflight has allowed priests to have the easiest time applying dots of any of the primary dot damage dealing specs, namely affliction warlock and balance druid. druids can apply sunfire in AoE with 1 button, but they need to manually apply moonfires. and warlocks can apply corruption in AoE with seed of corruption, but they still need to apply agony manually.
shadow is the only spec that can apply both of its dots at once, with 1 button, even if it is limited to just 8 targets, that still covers most AoE pulls most parties will be doing at most of the key levels that average folks do. its super convenient. i wouldn’t ever want to go back to having to apply dots in a more complex manner, especially when ALL melee get easier ways to set up their AoE damage and are able to start bursting damage much sooner.
for example, the best DoT spec in the game is actually probably Arms warrior. 1 button applications for all 3 of its big Dots - Warbreaker for Deep Wounds, Thunderclap for Rend, and Dragon’s Roar for the Dragon Roar bleed. depending on Mastery levels, these can all easily do 10%+ of a warrior’s total damage per key, it makes playing the spec easy and fun.
i.e. melee tends to be more fun to play, and the tradeoff for ranged traditionally has been it is easier to see what’s going on in the field of play, and it is often safer to stand at ranged. well blizz has been doing a lot of work to make standing at ranged distances not safe at all. have you noticed having to dodge storming tornadoes while at ranged these days? cause i have. its a bizarre combination of the way the tornadoes spawn, and where, and how they move too, as well as the narrow and twisting hallways of some dungeons such as Uldaman.
the point is, being ranged isn’t all its cracked up to be anymore. and shadow honestly has the good life when it comes to DoT gameplay, compared to other DoT specs who arguably, in the case of Affliction, should have superior DoT application spells and extension / management. so while i too would like to see Cascade return, i always thought out of the Pandaria trio of spells, that Cascade was the most fun by far to look at, instead we have been made to keep Divine Star and Halo all this time, and lately they keep nerfing those spells too, which is extremely disappointing to see.
but I don’t think destroying Shadow Crash is the way to bring Cascade back
You mentioned my feedback post. But you have no idea what’s inside it.
Everything that you’re claiming my feedback is…isn’t.
Read my feedback and get educated. You don’t know what your talking about.
bro are you dense? you’re right here, one post of yours ago, claiming “if only there was some other way” to spread dots. asking people if they “enjoy” shadow crash. and then linking to your suggetion to Cascade. nobody needs to read anything man.
its obviously right there. you think there should be something else than Shadow Crash to apply dots. and if you think taking away one of the best buttons Shadow has, despite its flaws, just to replace it with Yet Another slow moving spell, which was well known for having Long Travel time, and Bugs With Bouncing causing some bounces to just plain disappear, is the best way to bring Cascade back then there’s absolutely no way i can’t say that’s awful feedback.
you’re taking one flawed spell and replacing it with another. for the purposes of DoT application, Cascade isn’t any better than Shadow Crash. you’re just trading one set of problems for another. that’s not a good idea. and i don’t need to do “further reading” to immediately understand that. its obvious on the face of it.
i’d love for cascade to come back - in some way that makes it fun to use, but mostly fun to look at. because most of the fun was in watching it bounce. but if you want everyone to depend on it for applying dots, that’s just going to make people unhappy. people will cast it, then do their other spells, and get mad that enuf Shadow Apparitions aren’t spawning yet, cause Cascade is taking too long to bounce around and apply dots.
Shadow Crash isn’t perfect, but i’m not going to give applause or cheers for an alternative that not only isn’t any better in terms of how it applies the dots, but also stands a strong chance of destroying both Shadow Crash AND CASCADE, becaues if cascade is brought back like that, its going to make everyone so unhappy that we just lose it again
Wow…
You think that was my feedback post?
That was just a small separate post discussing other spells and comparing them to the benefits of Cascade.
Have you heard of a “choice” talent node?
Do you know what Shadow Crash is currently paired up with? I’ll give you a hint… it’s nothing.
But regardless… again if you actually read my feedback post, I actually have an image that depicts having Shadow Crash alongside Cascade as a choice node.
Should we use Shadow Crash?
Should we use Cascade?
Should we use something else?
Those are questions that people don’t answer as most people just resort to “give me another charge on shadow crash” instead of actually understanding all the nuances involved with the spell and challenge it’s justification for its existence as if it didn’t Spread dots with its follow up talent whispering shadows, then I was highly wager most people would not spend a talent point into shadow crash because without the dot spread, it’s a horrible spell… which was my core point.
Shadowcrash is a horrible spell.
At least with Cascade, you don’t have to relay on the targets to stand still. With Cascade you can use it on the move and guess what… the first target it hits will be afflicted with your dots via the whispering shadows talent and that is the target you can start loading in your other single target spells into… just like how it works today.
At most you you will have a slightly less couple of seconds where some targets won’t have your dots on them and as such your Psychic Link won’t have any effect.
But that’s why I also included bringing back Mind Sear as a choice with Psychic so the player can choose what direction they want to go into for AOE as other talents will be available to enhance your single target damage for better Psychic Link damage spread or periodic damage to pump up Mind Sear.
So both types of AOE will be covered.
You are the one that is not thinking things through because you rather not take the time to read and understand and comprehend someone’s points before you start talking nonsense and making you itself look like a fool.
Blizzard repeatedly nerfed it because they added Void Torrent and Devouring Plague to the abilities that affected it. It’s still trash to have as the only AoE option. One misclick or badly timed Shadow Crash wrecks the entire pull. It’s something that just isn’t a problem with any other class.
This should not be accepted as good playstyle.