Since we have no Arthas, no Sylvannas, no Valkyr and a giant Oribos Dyson vaccuum sucking everything to the maw, are there logically any new forsaken being “born”? Is every new forsaken character a retcon?
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I guess there just wouldn’t be any? Whether you choose Cataclysm or Exile’s Reach as your intro it still canonically begins before BfA and Shadowlands.
Really the only difference is between Forsaken is those created prior and after Cataclysm. Gen 1 Forsaken being raised by the Scourge and freed by Sylvanas. While Gen 2 Forsaken were raised directly by Sylvanas’s Val’kyr.
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They don’t. Forsaken can no longer make more of themselves, they’re now a limited race. The val’kyr only followed and were bound to Sylvanas when she left. And we killed them all.
Tirisfal takes place in Cata and Exile’s Reach happened right before BfA. So the latest a forsaken can be born for RP is in that expansion. Before Sylvanas left the Horde.
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I cannot find the source, but I remember a while ago someone had said that basically the older zones are “slices of time in the past” so even if someone makes a fresh new Forsaken character, their character is currently in Cataclysm era. They don’t make the effort to bring all the older zones up to date with current events.
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That will depend on how you take the game, but by the sound of it you mean in general, and not necessarily in terms of gameplay.
Quite simply, there is no way for Forsaken to make new Forsaken like they do for the playable character during the cataclysm questline (who i believe is still the default questline for forsakens who choose to start at regular map instead of the island).
That don’t mean there will be no new Forsaken (in the sense of Intelligent Undead) because of two things:
1 - The Original Forsakens didn’t get raised with Free will, and it certaintly wasn’t Arthas or the Nez’hul intent to give them Free will, they have been once Slaves to the Lich King, and one day, they suddenly regained their free will.
If this happened once, it’s possible it may happen again that Scourge undeads gain Free Will, but its extremely rare, and while there are a LOT of Scourge undeads remaining they are also limited in numbers as Necromancers are quite rare since Scholomancia got shutdown and most Lich’s are dead.
2 - Said Dyson’s Sphere isn’t absolute, Calia Menethil died after the machine of death broke, her soul should have been sent to the Maw but maybe due to Time or Divine interference she still managed to be “ressurected” as a Holy Undead, to be fair, it Took A Naaru, Alonsus and Anduin together.
They haven’t talked about it, the only thing I can think of is that the small number of necromancers that exist within the Forsaken could I guess kill human captives and keep their souls bound to prevent them from moving onto the Shadowlands.
There aren’t many necromancers of course like I said due to the Forsaken not trusting someone that specializes in binding and dominating the dead. So the future for the Forsaken is either to delve deeper into necromancy like the Scourge to survive or let their society crumble and be replaced by the living.
Everybody settle down.
We are getting new lore in 10.0.
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I don’t think so.
They’ll be back. It’s hard to keep a good lich down.
Kinda like the sylvanis loyalist quest line it was all just forgotten about.
Shadowlands is our season 8 of GoT.
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I would feel like the realm of death would not like for souls and undeads to be walking around the world of the living, as it’s against the nature of the machine/cycle of death.
It’s not hard to have “new” undead characters with a starting point at a later time. You just wouldn’t make their starting point their actual moment of reanimation, like it is for Generation 1 and Generation 2 Forsaken. You could say, “This Forsaken was raised a while ago, but had few skills, and trained with this class, and is now ready to start their journey.”
Kind of like any other race in the game. I mean, when you start a new human or a new troll or orc, it’s not like level 1 starts you off as a baby. Supposedly, your character has been living a life for at least 20 years prior to you joining them at level 1. Even older if you opted to give your guy grey hair.
Now, creating new Forsaken - that should be seen as a massively evil thing to do. Sylvanas engaging in it was a revelation point as to how corrupt she and the Forsaken really were in Cataclysm.
Well maybe they should have thought of that before invading like, every other realm. I’m STILL going into Necrotic Wake to clear those goons out of my temple.
Maybe they can do something with Geirrvif. She is a “living” Val’kyr.
Honestly, I only recognize the existence of the original 150 gen 1 forsaken.
Every other gen that has come afterward has been them completely running out of ideas, like “Putress” or “Derek Proudmoore” or “Calia Menethil” what even are those names?
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I don’t know, but I made an Orc last week and it “came in” during Cataclysm.
A - That was the bad guys aligned with Zooval.
B - Bastion, Ravendreath and Ardenweald are still part of the realm of death.
very different from the Primus going “Here you go, this book have all the instructions of how to raise new forsakens for all your needs, nah, don’t worry, we totally don’t mind that those souls are being stoped from being sent to the Shadowlands and then properly distributed around each place in the Shadowlands… i mean its not like this was half the plot for the Anima Draught right?”
I really don’t understand why the Primus would help the Forsaken.
The Forsaken dying out as a “race” isn’t a bad thing. It’s like saying a major disease is dying out. It’s just a good thing that no more undead are being created at a large scale.
But I don’t suspect it will ever happen in WoW’s lifetime that Forsaken fully “die out”, for obvious reasons.
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Very much that, in fact, the Shadowlands pantheon as a whole only have to benefit from that.
It’s in their interest that undead cease because a Undead Soul is a soul that isn’t part of the cycle of death, they died and stayed stuck in Azeroth instead of getting brought to the Shadowlands, judged by the Arbiter, Milked for anima or whatever is his future fate.
Also, once we kill the jailer and stop all souls except those that are very truly wicked and beyond redemption from going there, there’s no more reason for Forsaken to continue existing as a people. You’re not being saved from unimaginable torment anymore, you just go on to your next life and continue your existence there. Without the fundamental suffering that the undead condition causes.
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