Was in an AV as a horde and i saw something that shocked me to my very core.
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There were 21 Horde on defense the rest on Offense and cap the standard two towers BUT somehow in the time it took the Horde to cap SHB and IWB at the usual speed. Alliance manage to cap every single tower plus FWRH and IBGY. Not only that they tied up the majority of the horde between IBGY and IBT base on what i saw there. Horde got IBT back but the other three towers burned in the process.
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IBGY was taken FWRH was taken and offense was completely stone walled.
One of the best methods to put the “Fear into the Horde.” Is to actually move past them.
So imagine you’re fighting 30 hordies right? They’re standing in point A. Point A is infront of a building.
As an Alliance member you’d want to stand in point C, way past the building, and positioned right behind them.
Usuaully what happens is, is that the Horde will feel overwhelmed and therefore quickly try to retreat, and thus one of the methods here is that its easy for either faction to regain ground very, very quickly. It happens all the time for us when we do AV.
I hope that information helps.
Right but in this case the Horde had deploy the standard IBT IBGY choke defense. Those usually break the Alliance. Again 21 on defense the Alliance offense should have been broken or destroyed.
They weren’t killed through. Somehow Alliance went around and took ibgy with rhe majority tied in ibt.
At the same time Horde offense was stalled pass IWB.
Hmm, I honestly wouldn’t know too well. I’m sorry I wasn’t really able to answer your question. I’m happy I bumped it up for you though so someone can.
I’m actually Alliance and play Horde to figure out their pattern and weakness in IoC and AV. They merc all the time so they know ours for sure so i figure turn about is fair play.
So pretty much whatever that strat was that let us go around them i need to know so that it can become a common thing instead of stupidly running head long into it.
I have always been one of the ones to tell the group to go left at Balinda instead of right so we’d get their faster and together. Seems to be catching on.
The other night I was in an IoC where the Alliance team did something I’ve never seen them do before… almost no Alliance went to either docks or mid.
When the gate opened we were surprised to see only like 4 Allies show up to Workshop, like 95% of the Alliance team went Hangar.
After the match I looked some of them up, and turns out a good % of them were part of a premade group/community.
When there is a “mass coordination” to the enemy team, a premade is the most likely explanation. Random casuals are not that coordinated.
Possibly a premade, but I used to see this result frequently. In the past couple weeks, mercs are pushing broken strategies instead, but it still happens occasionally.
Hangar is actually the most important node. The problem is if you give-up on the rest you need to rely on people DEFENDING YOUR BASE from the vehicles. It’s actually not that hard to destroy the vehicles, but it is hard getting people to listen and defend. They want to jump onto the airship and then you have 15 idiots inside the enemies base doing jack squat while the other faction has free reign destroying your gates with vehicles.
Won an AV earlier today where we seriously destroyed the Horde… When we killed Drek the Horde had only burned a single tower, with the Alliance at ~510 resource and the Horde at ~70. We somehow managed to keep nearly all our towers while destroying all of theirs.
I hope this is an indicator that Alliance are learning how to properly play AV again (we were good at it in Legion but managed to forget come BfA).
I kind of don’t understand your description, but now I am really curious what happened!
How were the horde unable to catch the folks that went toward FWGY though? Did they just let them run through and not chase them? At worst, horde should be able to keep RH and FW towers, and FWGY. You need to prioritize RH and FW area over IBT and IBGY area in general.
We both start off like normal. Horde went 21 man defense deep, 10 sitting in IBT, 11 at the narrow road right next to IBT.
SOME how, by the time we cap both SHB AND IBW, with normal travel time. TP, EFW WFW and FWRH was all capped and then IBGY was capped a moment later. I saw the movement of the defense trying to move around but FWGY was left up.
By the time the two bunker burned, Alliance have capped FWRH, burned TP, EFW and WFW. The strange part was, that the defense group was caught between IBGY and FWGY while the the Horde offense was stalled going North. Just really really amazed. THen, as if just exerting their dominance the 21 man defense group was all sent to FWGY and the last tower was taken. Offense was also stalled pass IWB.
I just wanna know who Alliance did it cause We need to do that more often!
It sounds like some sort of premade (or partial premade) that had a lot of good stealthie players.
Skilled stealthies can pull off some pretty crazy stuff. One time I was in a game where a group of 3 Horde Rogues and 1 Resto Druid snuck into Dun Baldar and somehow burned both bunkers only like 7 minutes into the game. It was insanely fast, I suspect they were a mini premade.
I’m thinking a Warlock used the gateway up to IBGY and a crapton took that which bypasses IB choke. Another reason why they should do something about that chokepoint.
I thought that at first but that still doesn’t account for the fact that they lost IBGY, Defensed against any further incursion from IWB and the inability of 21 defenders on retaking IBGY.
21 Horde defender is no joke, and not to mention their inability to retake Tower point when they respawn from FWGY. It was just beautifully done.
Yeah, great stealthies and possible warlock gate up to back of IBGY were my next guesses. Intriguing though. No unorganized team could pull that off though. lol
You may have inadvertently answered your own question here. Could it be that the Alliance team was made up of mucho horde mercs. I’m seeing a trend in the Epic BG queues where horde players more and more are merc’ing simply to dodge the 30 minute queue times.
Almost certainly the opposite. Mercs don’t know better than to use mirror images of Horde strategies, so if the mercs had been in charge, the Alliance offense wouldn’t have gotten past Tower Point in that time, and more likely would have been wiped by failure to take IBGY.
Okay. Contact me in game and give me your realm and your spy’s name and realm, and I’ll explain what likely happened. I’ll also explain how “right of Balinda” got started a decade ago, not that it’s necessarily necessary any more.
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I’m happy I bumped it up for you though so someone can.