After so many have already pre-purchased the game, you have the audacity to remove the primary gearing method of so many players and pigeon hole us, once again, into raiding for the best gear.
If you wanted to do this, fine. But it should have been a Blizzcon 2019 day 1 announcement. This is borderline bait and switch and is unacceptable.
Game is no longer designed for the players. It’s all time metrics. Slower gearing (once a week in raids.) keeps you chasing the carrot longer.
Anyone want to throw in some context? It doesn’t make you cooler to just say “google it.” Complete posts are super.
I don’t think they removed anything.
I’m sure they are glad they have your permission.
Then refund your purchase if you already bought it. If not, don’t buy it.
M+ dungeon drops will be rewarding lower iLvl in SL.
OP is being really dramatic about it. That’s about it.
Ah so they PVP’d ya!
Hit the nail on the head!
Just get a refund if you feel Blizzard making you raid for gear is a slight against you then.
Bingo!! Welcome to club “raid or die.”
except that once the expac is established your main gearing in mythic, comes from the weekly chest. which has been buffed. so in the end im gonna call the 2 changes a wash
This game should be raid or die. raids are what made this game what it was. back when noone had MMOs this game had a 40 man raid
This is a terrible argument. Things evolve and grow over time. FF14 is growing fairly rapidly with 8 man smaller group content, I wonder why that is. People grow. Accessibility is becoming king in gaming. Raiding is the least accessible part of WoW. The management and upkeep of keeping 20 personalities and schedules aligned is ridiculous compared to M+ and PvP.
As the game gets older so do its players. We are adults now. Jobs, children, lives outside of it. The average age of the gamer on wow is 33; if you kill the accessibility aspect of the game in favor of the minority you effectively may as well shut the servers down.
The game cannot and will not survive on the raider population.
8 is bigger than 5. 10 is a lil bit bigger than 8. your arguement could work for 10 man raids as much as it could work for 5 man dungeons. that are largely carry runs for gear. basically 2 people doing the work while everyone else rides to good loot
hey if they want to further cull the herd and make this game as niche of an experience as possible, go for it.
Maybe ghostcrawler will come back now that he wont have to design a game that his grandmother can play.
If alls you do for gear is M+ then why do you need higher level gear than the dungeons drop?
This isn’t true - the personal responsibility grows as the group size shrinks. You cannot hide behind 19 good players in a high level dungeon or 3 man pvp. Every player has to carry their weight in a 25+ dungeon; you can carry a few heavies and still get cutting edge.
That’s what I really don’t understand. There are three major forms of end game in wow now. They need to let go of the raider superiority gear complex. MMO gaming has vastly evolved from those days.
This is a REALLY stupid argument. Stop using it. People who M+ and PVP at high levels use top end gear and require it far more than mythic raiding does – > you can effectively clear mythic raid with 17 people right now. Folks sell the last 3 slots for gold now.
Get out of here with this nonsense.
I love this change. Now carry groups can’t funnel gear LOL. Leather stacking for 1 piece of loot go for it LOL.
Oh they’ll still stack - only it’ll be in raiding now. They don’t fix anything they just shift player behavior. Now instead of paying for a dungeon leather stack, everyone will pay for raid stacks.
Shadowlands is shaping up to be the most confused, bipolar schizophrenic game design I have ever seen. The covenant implementation seems to be anti-raider but then they turn around and throw raiders a super bone. I dont get it. What are they even doing??
If there’s only going to be 1 piece, it makes more sense to stack for the best odds of someone being able to use it rather than it being DE/scrap/vendored
you literally contradicted yourself here. mythic dungeons get carried by 2 players all the time. they are one of the most profitable things for progression players to do.
then it should be even. which is what this does. mythic now has a better chest but not as good random rewards. raids offer a lil bit better gear at heroic level and mythic level.
but you are wrong that there are 3 game modes. it still is balanced around 2. PVE an PVP. mythics are an extension to raiding since raiding has a lockout. it was never meant to be better otherwise it eliminates the need to raid. thats what they were probably trying to stop. im willing to bet that they werent getting the raid figures they wanted