Weak mind with weak will, that jumped into dark side at first opportunity. Then just followed orders until reached throne.
Until chronicles they mind was supposed to be merged, but now canon is that somehow this dummy could completely devour hundred years old shaman master mind that outsmarted dreadlords, Eastern kingdoms and entire burning legion?
What kind of human potential bs is this
Two reasons:
I’m sure Arthas and Ner’zhul are both just sitting in the back of Bolvar’s mind.
I like to imagine the mindspace inside the Helm of Domination looks like the Frozen Throne, only with multiple thrones. With whoever is wearing the helmet gets to sit in the middle throne, while past wearers sit in thrones along other edges of the platform.
https://i.imgur.com/DYtJDnc.png
Chronicles made it clear that Nerzhul was completely destroyed.
Neat. I don’t believe that that’s either true, or something they won’t retcon in the future.
He was back in legion and was holding Arthas. I think blizzard just wanted to focus on Arthas not Ner’Zhul.
That wasn’t Ner’zhul and Arthas. That was their echoes. That essentially means remnants of themselves because blizzard thought it would be cool for DKs to fight Ner’zhul and Arthas.
But is Ner’zhul gone? He has been gone since the Arthas novel. Is there still remnants of Arthas and Ner’zhul that make up the being that’s known as the Lich King? Who knows, but what we do know is that they are no longer what they were.
Boy, we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel to complain about human potential now, aren’t we?
What? How? Arthas had an incredible will. The purging of Stratholm, using mercenaries and making them the scapegoats for his own doing. These things are pretty messed up, but you can’t say neither of them requires a strong mind and will to perform as flawlessly as he did.
Well, then Darth Vader had an incredible will killing those kids
Do you think you could have?
Not because someone told you to do it, but because you felt you needed too? Say if those kids were going to turn into hungering undead and start killing every living thing in sight?
In Arthas: Rise of the Lich King Arthas betraying him caught Ner’zhul off guard.
In Chronicles Arthas used Ner’zhul’s lingering guilt in enslaving the orcs to the Legion to break Ner’zhul’s mind to the point that he was noted to be a wailing sound of sorrow that Arthas cheerfully ignored.
Will and morality are two different things. You can have a strong will to do something godawful.
Also, the slaughter of the younglings isn’t equivalent to the Culling of Stratholme, because as horrific as the Culling was, it was ultimately the best choice for the kingdom at the time. Nobody will debate that Anakin slaying children for his own descent was a good thing.
what’s the difference? They reacted to the players actions? no?
Did Chronicle explain what Death Knight/Lich King Arthas was? The nature of his Soul?
I suspect that come wrath they shifted from ‘merged’ or even ‘NZ dominant’ toward ‘Arthas’ because Arthas was a more iconic character and Ner’zhul didn’t have much of a personality.
This is an inaccurate description of Arthas’ fall from grace.
For one, Arthas resides as the main commander of not one but two whole campaigns in the original Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos game, on top of his splitting the undead campaign in Frozen Throne with Sylvanas. Next to everyone else, he has more missions and battles under his belt by far. And in that time, he’s defeated the the Blackrock Orcs (twice counting his tenure under the Scourge), thwarted the Scourge several times, and then while in command of the Scourge directly brought about the end of three entire kingdoms in the span of a single campaign, ultimately repelling three entire forces attacking Ner’zhul on his own. Arthas’ abilities as a military commander cannot be understated.
Ner’zhul didn’t simply dominate Arthas’ will. For one, he orchestrated a chain of events culminating in forcing Arthas to kill his own people and drive him to seek vengeance against Mal’ganis, which resulted in him taking hold of Frostmourne. It was more of turning Arthas’ passion and pride against him to erode his morality.
Arthas’ soul is in the shadowlands getting tortured forever™ for his misdeeds in life (and unlife). What little is left of the shattered soul of Ner’zhul remains bound to the helm of dominion, and is merged with Bolvar. Merging with what little remains of Ner’zhul is likely why Bolvar’s personality has darkened as much as it has, but he still retains many of his core ‘honorable paladin’ traits.
As mentioned a bit up the thread the betrayal of Arthas was swift and totally unexpected by Ner’zhul who thought that Arthas was still a loyal servant who would dutifully merge with him. Arthas used lingering guilt the old orc had over the fate of his people as a weapon to fracture the mind/soul of Ner’zhul into little more that a dim, unending cry of despair.
They should put “Ner’zhul is done forever, really he is.” on one of the loading screen tips. But then people would be like “loading screen tips aren’t canon, and that’s the devs trying to trick us”.
Ner’zhul was NOT hundreds of years old. And even if he was he was bested by one of his apprentices once. Why couldnt he be bested again.
Lastly as show by AU Draenor he was not as respected/was actually kinda weak will for an individual considering he gave himself to the void and let the Iron Horde walk all over him.