I guess if you see that as people being upset that’s on you.
Nah. You do that on your own 
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I get the feeling that this just won’t look good enough if/when the horde tries it. Because if they do, well, how sincere can it really be? It’s not like they rebelled as soon as Sylvanas started doing anything, so I feel that any compensation’s going to have a strong undertone of “oh they’re just doing it to bribe the alliance because they don’t want to be hit back.”
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It depends on how it’s portrayed. But if it’s portrayed well, then that would be enough for me, honestly.
I mean, if the faction war had been portrayed well we likely wouldn’t have threads like this.
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Me rn
We really only have Golden’s words to go on, and Roux’s confirmation of aspects of the books.
- The Devs give them a script with story beats. X, y, and z must happen.
- Golden suggested making one of the characters Calia, refers to it as “co-creation”
I do not think this means the script with the bullet points was changed.
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Except the person you’re white knighting for is very invested in my business, which you’ve also been quoting by proxy. Horde wants development, and they don’t want the Alliance involved in their story. So they’re interested in building up huts, and allowing the evil to really soak in.
Glad you could atleast concede you’re wrong. Try not to be so worried, maybe tak a break.
I don’t believe I mentioned in any of my posts that you were correct in your assumptions.
Can you quote that for me?
I’ll wait.
Yeah, you’re mad.
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I speak only the truth. If you weren’t wrong you wouldn’t be bothered, and white-knighting the poster who’s obsessed with my business.
I don’t either, but I think the script is very general. Like I said, nothing Golden has said suggests that the script was as specific as to say that the new light-raised undead character would be killed for trying to rally Forsaken to the Alliance. That was probably something that came out of the co-creation process. My bet is that the script just said something like “a character dies and is raised by the Light into a new kind of undead.”
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It couldn’t be that someone’s so interested in my profile they’re asking others to check it out. For reasons they entirely would only be self-concerned with, were it not for their honeys waiting to scoop them off their feet.
hmm that still leaves a lot of the BTS storyline unaccounted for
Well, that’s where the “co-creation” comes in.
(And of course, I’m not suggesting that was the entire outline!)
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You mean this post?
If being compared to a NEFPA and pointing out the profile for confirmation is your definition of obsession, well…
https://giphy.com/gifs/laughing-futurama-bender-OvL3qHSMO6uaI
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I guess it wouldn’t be awkward for you, if he wasn’t trying to gatekeep the Horde in another thread with this premise as well. Oh, and the devs.
I’d rather be compared to a Night Elf poster then anyone worried about what the Devs faction is.
2 weeks late but… she would look at Varian threatening the Horde as a big bad Alpha and his son preaching in Orgrimmar as if it was his personal church and at the treatment Aethas gets everytime the Kirin Tor is involved or the treatment of the poor unfortunate mage Horde character that dares to share screentime with Jaina Tragicmoar and so on and so fort…
The “humans are the AWESOMEST beings evah!!” BS is NOT an Alliance narrative exclusive problem, we Hordies end up having to deal with this ON TOP of the villain batting too.
You guys ended up as the incompetent idiots WITH the absolute moral highground; meanwhile we ended up as the incompetent idiots WITHOUT even the moral highground and frankly a questionable justification for our existence narrative wise.
Is as bland and unengaging as they come and basially WoD tier, literally just managing to look/feel “better” because the previous chapter (A.K.A. BfA) was literal unsalvageable garbage, no more and no less.
Sooooo… you believe Blizzard WILL fire all and every incompetent moron that was part of the narrative team for BfA? cause believe me, I´m all for this… not only did they fail at basic reading comprehension regarding “A Song of Ice and Fire” -queue Droité´s post in the matter- but they even refused to aknowledge their incoherency and their blatant plagiarizing of their own previous expac A.K.A. MoP with the “nO nEgAtIvItY iN tHe DoJo” BS.
Cause dear, THIS -literally cutting the problem in the root and basically rebooting the personal in charge of writting the stuff- is the only way in which Blizzard would take this “easy fix”.
Well, ridiculous whining and QQ Is the only language Blizzard apparently understands, so…
She would see at Vol´jin´s Warchief cinematic at the end of MoP 
/ROFL Alliance main detected
Love how the only “rebuilding” you hope for the Forsaken is NOT created from their 15+ years old characters but literally from the Alliance flavorred nobody that got forcibly pushed onto the race for the lols.
Nice way to shoot yourself on the foot regarding the “building each faction SEPARATELY” argument, next time do try to actually construct separate narratives, please.
Tl;dr: the problem IS the people writting the story.
Indeed, been calling this since Legion.
And that´s the thing, we players already got punished "yup, by proxy of being forced to do X,Y and Z to fulfill some arbitrary standard set to “correct” a narrative we didn´t even had a part writting in the first place.
Ergo, why the development some of us want is literally “growth in the Horde FOR the Horde regardless of the Alliance. Alliance is irrelevant, tyvm.”
No we don´t. Not regarding the Alliance at least as long as Absolutely Morally Good Alliance status quo is kept (why? easy: cause your very attitude PROVES so. Vandraeda has quoted to you several times instances SHOWING change from the Horde political body and attitude regarding “evilness” and you are still here chanting “NUUUUU NUT GUUD NUFF!! HORDE MUST DO SUMETHING ELSE I APPROVE!!” a.k.a. the famous arbitrary X, Y and Z you mentioned you DIDN´T want.
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Cause only “positive/constructive” growth can be achieved by proxy of riding in the Alliance´s coatails, amrite?
I mean, according to you development for Horde 100% independent from Alliance = “building up huts, and allowing the evil to really soak in”.
Dude, this says EVERYTHING regarding your stance on the matter, no need to speculate over your interests or the devs lack of talent -that was more than evident with the BfA fiasco-. Your absolutely negative and destructive bias regarding Horde is aknowledged, move on and let us that still believe there´s a way to make our Horde narrative perception semi enjoyable continue with the thread.
If only the current lore dev team had enough workable braincells to pull this /sighs
I mean it would make the whole Calia trainwreck at least worthy.
Sure dear, that´why you basically got into a pissing match with other players regarding this issue, right?
Also, if you think the whole concept of Horde being developed as incompetent villains as a de facto cultural trope is SO comical then I sincerely hope you´re not a comedian by profession… cause that was -as Heath Ledger so succintly put it in his Oscar winning film- a bad joke.
Of course we´re mad. Cause so far they have shown absolute disregard of actual quality control measures regarding the product they are SELLING to us, which is actually quite the inmoral and unethical thing to do (keep in mind the subscription is not “test first, pay after” deal, it´s literally “pay us and have faith we will deliver content woth of your money”. Newflash, after BfA with even LYING being done from them to the playerbase I feel sometimes I´ve been robbed, period.
THAT is the actual hypocritical stance, to defend a million dollar company who apparently even deem themselves above actual quality control done to their products.
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It’s a joke. I’m not telling you not to believe that the Horde can have something new and fresh, and interesting totally absent from the Alliance’s shadow. But, if you’re mad at the writer, and devs specifically… It’s weird, and it gets worse when alot of the grand standing makes it even worse from the player base, it goes beyond being hypocritical. For you I’ll try to remember how things were before I’ve been accosted for merely suggesting my own ideas for the story.
It should also be noted that the primary functional reason the Alliance needed to be incompetent is because Blizz has done such a piss poor job actually scaling the Horde to be a tangible match for the Alliance. Part of that decade of deep neglect did manifest itself fairly heavily in Blizz’s attempt to force the conceptually weaker Faction to play the antagonist in BfA. Especially after that pretty sizable Legion Bump the Alliance got, that the Horde was not allowed to share.
So, Blizz found themselves in a weird spot, where the Faction they wanted to throw punches was forced to punch outside their weight class. But, again, they neglect “building up” the Horde, so rather than taking the necessary time to turn the red faction into the threat they desired it to be … they just took the easy way out and sort of hit the Alliance repeatedly with stupid and nerf sticks.
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See, this sort of thing confuses me.
You walk around with this idea that the Alliance is this superpowerful juggernaut that can’t ever be stopped. But, where have we seen that?
Don’t tell me about how Malfurion can theoretically shoot lasers based on something in a book. Can you tell me where this idea has been presented in a convincing way to the playerbase? (i.e. Onscreen? Where we can see it and it doesn’t just look like a throwaway comment that the dev tossed in but didn’t mean?)
Because the only thing that comes to mind is that we have the Vindicaar, which doesn’t appear to be worth all that much.
Edit: And Jaina - Jaina’s a fair cop.
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