How can we redeem/rebuild the Horde?

[Ikaar-dreadmaul]

@Velskàr-stormrage

Because Thrall’s Horde was not the Old Horde of Blackhand and Gul’dan?

Thrall’s Horde is literally made up of people from the Old Horde.

@Velskàr-stormrage

If you really want to go this route, then I could just as easily argue that the draenei “got off easy” after leading the Legion to Draenor and getting themselves slaughtered by the orcs (who were being controlled by the Legion).

I have to wonder the mindset of people who think this way, that being a muderer is any way compareable to accidently leading another murderer somewhere in an attempt to escape. Draenei crash landed remember.

@Velskàr-stormrage

But I won’t, because guess what? That would be a racist argument that relies on the premise of “Race X (orcs, draenei, etc.) are all alike, and there are no individuals within that race.”

99% of the Orcs who came to Azeroth commited murder is some way.

@Gantrithor-myzrael

You seem to think that there were no consequences for the Horde. BFA illustrates otherwise, Shadowlands illustrates otherwise, shadows Rising illustrates otherwise.

What consequences? I’m talking about Alliance imposed consequences btw, if the Horde suffers because of actions THEY made it doesn’t count.

@Zarrín-zuljin

^ This is kind of frightening.

I’m sorry mind explaining how?

@Zephyrath-amanthul

So yeah we trump the night elves hard at that.

Tell me, those Blood Elves killed at Silvermoon, are they currently suffering in the Maw? No? Then they don’t trump the NE’s.