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There’s a constant I’ve noticed with the Horde: Orcs are poor historians.
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With their tendency to glorify people like Hellscream and Doomhammer, is anyone really suprised by their hyper violent nature and willingness to commit atrocities on a whim?
No, the WC3 Horde that we were promised and had for a while is a good place to be relative to the Alliance. We lost that, because of the writers, in favor of the ultra aggressive and edgy villain narrative.
Going back to the WC3 Era Horde (mentality, not necessarily bringing back the characters) would be a good thing for both factions because when the Horde was living by its WC3 roots it wasn’t burning or bombing civilian population centers.
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They see Grom Hellscream as their greatest hero when in reality he’s their most dire cautionary tale.
If you want an example of the dues of teaching the wrong lessons, look at Garrosh.
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Do you mean from an in-game or a player point of view? Because yeah, I don’t think what I liked about the faction premise can come back. And any direction moving forward isn’t one I’m terribly interested in hearing about, which is why I’m half-fine with Shadowlands being a vacation expansion. It gets me mostly away from hearing about the horde.
I say this as someone who has played almost exclusively horde.
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Because he made mistakes, recognized them and at the end died to free his people from those mistakes.
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But it wasn’t Alliance players choice either. And yet we are left worse for wear, in terms of who did what in bfa. Why should we just be forced to deal with it, with no catharsis to be had?
Doesn’t have to be first. It can happen at the same time. I might even, maybe think it can happen after. But it must happen.
That is taking it way out of context. No, the Legion isn’t better than the Horde, they are far worse. But they are unaplogetically evil, Which is miles better than the Horde being like Homer dissapearing into the hedge meme.
Then it’s done, i’m satisfied. And I can put bfa behind me, forever.
I will only be happy if the Horde tries to make up for what they did, or are punished. That is true. But the options available for those two paths are quite numerous, and there are no doubt ways I haven’t thought about that would also work. But just having the Horde walk away, and any benefit to the Alliance being purely coincidental? No, I will never accept that.
I agree, but not through what you suggest. Or atleast so far have suggested.
I get the mentality of wanting the WC 3 horde back in some capacity, I just…given everything that’s happened since WC 3, it’d make little sense to try and shift back to that when it really hasn’t worked all the well(The Warchief position being a terrible idea and all)
But that’s me
Dude was a violent psychopath. Hardly someone I’d look to as a hero, in any sense of the word
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I feel the same way. I feel like the game took the premise of “what if you could play a good monster” that I liked about the faction and made it “actually no you’re all just bad people.” So where does the horde as a faction go from there? Personally, don’t know, don’t care. What I liked was broken.
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Do I want to close a deal? Recognize the Horde as ruthless beasts in exchange for admitting the kal’dorei’s weakness.
Probably, not.
Sadly yeah, and given the recent events of BfA and how a alliance playable was genocided…it’s just gets ugly when people try to come up with ideas that ignore what happened and how the NE fans didn’t get their revenge and likely never will.
It’s a ugly situation that blizz could have completely avoided if they had any sense of competency
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Why do you keep assuming the Horde rebuilding itself is preventing Alliance players from being catharsis? The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
That is literally what you keep repeating. You looked at the suggestions in this thread and said “That doesn’t make up for Teldrassil.”
Your words:
You’d rather team up with the Legion than the Horde. You are saying the Horde is worse.
Not surprising, you don’t care about rebuilding the Horde only feeling better about yourself.
Yes, you’ve made that abundantly clear. In a thread about rebuilding the Horde.
Again, why do you conflate the Horde rebuilding as the Horde not being held accountable?
What have you suggested to rebuild the Horde?
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Grom, in his arrogance, willingly and knowingly chose the damnation of his own race once again. He was warned thrice, first by his Troll Shamans, then by the Satyr guarding the ‘well’, and then by his own warriors that what he considered was totally against everything the Orcs had come to stand for. He did it anyway, and the entire clan paid a terrible price.
He managed to turn it around for himself at the last possible moment, but to see him as a hero in doing so is idiotic. There are possibly hundreds of Warsong who died as nothing more than frothing monsters, all because of his arrogance.
But such missteps are common of Orcs.
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I also noticed that orcs have a habit of blaming their actions on everyone and everything else but themselves. It’s always someone’s else’s fault
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“I’m so mad at the Alliance for that thing I did!”
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It’s not the rebuilding part that shuts off our catharsis. It’s the “rebuilding while doing absolutely nothing for anyone to make up for what we did” part that does indeed deny catharsis.
Because it doesn’t, but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen at the same time. There’s room for more than just rebuilding. I’m just asking for something at the side.
Not in terms of morality. Just in terms of how willing I would be in working with them.
Have I told you that you can have your whole rebuilding thing at the same time? If I didn’t, well here it is.
I think i’ve made it abundantly clear I don’t think these two storybeats are mutually exclusive.
I think you know best, and your list is good, so I won’t add anything. And a redemption story can happen at the same time as the major rebuilding storyline. I’m not against that, at all.
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Well I think I’ve read my reductive takes quota today.
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