Netherlight Temple honestly felt so non-sequitor, all of Azerothian priesthoods are Azeroth-centric
They could’ve/should’ve added some sort of Human Fallen Cathedral that was built over some Ancient Temple of Elune that still had Troll aspects because it was in that very early/post-transition period
So off the bat you have: Human Church of Light, Forsaken Cult of Shadows, Priestesses of Elune, and Troll Voodoo
U-hu, how about posting THIS in the proper thread -you know, the Alliance oriented one- instead of coming here to tell us HOW should WE “properly” enjoy our faction so YOU can ACTUALLY enjoy yours?
Just saying…
Which is the most hilarious thing out of all… this is NOT the first time devs literally ignore the Forsaken relevance in the plot and instead “reward” the Forsaken playerbase with a villain beating tinged with ridicule. But the usual suspects in SF ofc can´t understand that, they´re much too worried playing the victim card to notice. /rollseye
I´m not fan of Alliance themes, but the Worgen Heritage quest is borderline crimnal in how underwhelming and BAD it is for Worgen players, and how awful the message it sends.
I’m unconcerned with Azshara, specifically. IRL it was given to the Horde to balance out the zone representation. If a new land mass pops up next to it and the Goblins abandon it in favor of the new land mass, the Nelves are free to colonize it to their hearts content. But it should be the Horde choosing to do it rather than the Alliance taking it in order to keep the Horde fans from being the whipping boy. I don’t think there is any real lore that conects the Horde to it rather than it’s current shape. But that is extremely new and has little emotional investment.
Any one weirded out by the fact that so many Alliance players just seem to forget that the Alliance did not win the war? It ended in a stalemate, which is the point of an armistice. The Horde was an army and a half by the end of the conflict, and Saurfang pulling a Movie Durotar saved both sides. And despite losing every battle in the 4th War, the actual Horde losses were smaller than the Alliance’s. With this being especially prevalent as a factor in the BoDA, as the Alliance expended a huge amount of resources in both the suicide feint and the raid on the city. While the Horde forces were largely deterred from the city, and the brunt of the hit went to the Zandalari.
In short, no matter what else you say about the Horde. No matter how weak its central government was left due to this transition to a council system. The Alliance was in no position to demand a damned thing from the Horde by the end of the conflict. Every thing the Horde has done since in terms of reparations’/reforms, and will continue to do is voluntary. And while I have no doubt that if they wanted to the Alliance at the end of the 4th War could have wiped out the Horde; I also have no doubt that the mumblings of several of their leaders were right. That the cost of attempting to do so would have been staggering, and perhaps even created wounds in the attempt itself they couldn’t recover from. They lacked sufficient power to get a clean win.
Anybody amused that nobody picked up on the fact that Elluriah was riffing on an FDR inaugural speech?
Nobody cares Jesus Christ have the passed five hundred posts not been enough?
Which, to begin with, is incoherent even if canon, but here we are.
It’s just narrative handwaving to give the Horde a +1 since Alliance won both warfronts and gained those territories (and as per Exploring Azeroth, reclaimed Southshore and took Silverpine all the way up to Fenris Isle).
Actually, both Ariel and Droite were responding to it as if it was serious point just above my post. So, cool down.
I mean, don’t tell me you never asked where the Hell the Horde forces were? Every single battle was on the defensive, and from defensive fortifications. There were limited Horde forces lost at Dazal’alor. Same for the battle at Lord, with G’Huun, Naz’jatar, and Saurfang’s gambit in 8.2.5. Genuinely, we certainly did not come off as a World Power comprised of like 11 nations/cultures. I also sort of love that the pretense of the WoT is that both factions fleets were decimated in Legion, leaving an opening. But the Horde apparently had zero ships left, and the Alliance had a dozen to just throw away chasing down the Zandalari princess? And another dozen to hunt down Nate in Naz’jatar? Blizz can’t write grey or war stories at all it seems…
There was data suggesting that they were going to add a Quel’thalas warfront and a Barrens warfront, both of which the Horde probably would have won in the end but they were scrapped because people complained about the first warfront and so Blizzard did what it does best and overcompensated in the other direction.
The Warfronts were truly a unique experiment to say the least.
I mean, from a pure gameplay standpoint they were fun. 
I mean, this thread is not actually a Horde only thread, despite that being the title of the thread. The OP himself brought the Alliance into the discussion. He accurately identifies all the Horde’s narrative problems. Great, well done. However, his SECOND(first if you don’t count his “total ret-con” bullet point) SOLUTION TO THE HORDE’S PROBLEM is to make the Alliance racist. You constantly claim you aren’t seeking to make Alliance players feel better. That’s fair. However this thread first post is actively seeking to make Alliance Players FEEL WORSE (IE make them “Racist Again”).
It would be the equivalent to me making a thread on fixing the Alliance, listing all the Alliance’s narrative problems(which everyone already knows) and suggesting the solution be to “KEEP THE HORDE GENOCIDAL MANIACS”. The Alliance perspective has to be taken into account if the majority of Horde players seriously believe making the Alliance racist is the answer to HORDE PROBLEMS.
But you do care. That’s why your second bullet point under “solutions” involves changing the Alliance(to the detriment of the Alliance playerbase) for the benefit of the Horde playerbase. You’re being completely unfair in expecting zero Alliance input when you actively want to change the Alliance purely to benefit your own Horde bias.
I mean if the Alliance characters going forward can openly distrust and hate the Horde for their behavior in BFA and everything else before then go for it. I think that’s a fair sentiment, but OP wanted to this “racism” to be treated like it was illogical as real racism is.
Alliance mistrusting and hating the Horde for their many crimes is perfectly logical.
I would say a “racist” response from the NPCs towards Horde NPCs and players are more acceptable than the current “gorsh darn gee isn’t the horde just swell you guys?” like as if one expansion earlier the Horde were not BBQing Night Elves on a beach.
Being villainized purely for not liking Horde as Alliance is pretty irritating imo.
Yup. Disliking certain factions because of what they DID is not racism.
Careful everytime he doesn’t like hearing something he says its a conspiracy.
Here he comes…
Posting alt, these are your first three posts, so blocked
Reply on your main, but you probably are someone I’ve already blocked and so create an alt so I am forced to see this trite nonsense. Perhaps are even Smallioz does some schizoid performance.
See? there it is.
Even though we are both posting at the same time.
Oh btw this is Smallioz. Just to prove I have another character too.
You can compare Baal.
Check my achievements. Im no ones alt. First time poster.
Cool, now if those Alliance players want to discuss that in a good faith manner then that’s a discussion.
But anyone who has been paying attention to this thread has noted that the people we’re all frustrated with and snapping back at have been derailing this thread purposefully. And they’ve been doing this for days. They are simply trolling.
I do not take back what I said because:
I am talking about a specific type of poster.