How Can We Redeem/Rebuild The Horde (Actual Horde Edition)

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Ashfeet-moon-guard

I would not say ever, sure there are a lot of outlandish visions in this thread but the Alliance was very much imperial and prejudiced against other races at the time of vanilla.

Morghel doesn’t recognize any of that.

@Gantrithor-myzrael

But I don’t see you calling that out.

He openly admitted in the other thread that he thinks none of the Alliance victories mean anything because it doesn’t sate his personal bloodlust against the Horde and that the Alliance should not lose any moral highground at all period.

@Philschneidr-balnazzar

Horde players should not get any say in how the Alliance story should be written.

Interesting idea, now apply that to Every Single Alliance Poster In The Other Thread. Quote your reply there over here when you do so, then I’ll believe you.

Oh wait, this you?

@Philschneidr-balnazzar

How does the Horde atone for something if the victims don’t feel satisfied? Why should an Alliance player care about the Horde players feeling better about themselves if they don’t give a damn about the Alliance player? The Alliance wants revenge, who cares what the Horde players think about it.

@Philschneidr-balnazzar

So why should i care about them? I want my revenge. I don’t care how much Horde fanatics cry about it.

So you are, in fact, the hypocrite.

@Skarm-sentinels

…of course, the problem with re-creating the racist attempt at the cultural genocide of the Native Americans and Australian Aborigines in game with Horde races is less ‘that’s racist!’ than the fact that the narrative has so completely villain-batted the faction that such an normally repugnant attitude is 100% objectively justified in-game!

Yes but Racism Is Still Bad and the story would just need to drive home the point “This character is racist and bad”

Otherwise, as we’ve seen in the other thread and here, we’ll get Alliance players trying to justify Garithos and Daelin as Not Racist.

“Ah you see, Daelin hated all orcs because of what they did, racism is just when you hate an entire race for no particular reason”

Ignoring that all racist ideologies IRL are based on histories and historical narratives and nobody is racist “for no particular reason”.

Curiouser and curiouser!

@Skarm-sentinels

And that’s part of the reason why I think it really isn’t possible to redeem the Horde. The writers took things too far in their immature need for KEWL BAY-SPLOSIONS SO AWESOME LOOK DUDES so that there’s no way the Horde can justify it’s own existence anymore, at least not in any narratively logical way.

And that’s why the Alliance needs to be given one (1) explicit unquestionable “this person is bad and immoral” character and some grey.

Be heavy handed, lay it on thick.

“We should re-enslave the Horde races that can work and re-educate them, and finish off the other Horde races like the undead and blood elves. Tauren are too big to be controlled, so just keep them in Mulgore and Highmountain but build a wall sealing them in that we control, a land reservation.”

etc