I’ve been applying to Normal Raid Groups in the Group Finder for months and months and I have never once been accepted into any of these groups. I have completed the same dungeons on LFR numerous times and my item level is reasonable for the groups for which I am applying.
I could understand if it was a mythic or maybe a heroic but to have such difficulty getting into a normal group seems unreasonable to me. I am wondering what players are looking for when deciding who to accept into these groups and how I can improve my odds of acceptance.
Post on the character you’re applying with so we may be able to identify what you’re working with.
Normal raid drops 252 gear so usually group leaders will expect you to be 242+ approx. Also could be that higher geared people are applying trying to get teir so you’d be last choice.
You could put your own group together to guarantee a spot though.
Most of these people are looking for people who have kills under their belt. Even when a progression group is getting together, if they are going to pug people out they are still going to take overqualified people over underqualified people and you’d be surprised how many people will apply.
A lot of this has to do with tier sets and item level.
Random PUG leaders–the vast majority of which are lazy, or terrible raid leaders in a variety of ways–will try to pick the most overqualified players they can. Whether this is gear, progression, or both they’re going to stack the best options they see.
Why take some random with just LFR kills when you could have a Mythic raider with 2-set and has cleared out Heroic already trying to get 4-set?
That’s what you need to contend with, and tier sets being a bad idea has reflected quite a lot in this raid.
Tier sets are not a bad idea, tying them to pure RNG is. People are not getting tier for reasons be yond their control, and they are having issues getting groups because of those same issues. We might be seeing a different story of the creation catalyst was active or tier was able to be bought with a currency earned mostly in raid.
You could try the Perky Pugs discord. I’m not sure how quickly slots fill, but I saw that they did the normal raid earlier today and ilvl required was 242. I’m unsure if I can post a link to their discord or not, but you can probably find it quickly enough through searches.
Caveat: I’ve never jumped into one of their groups, so I am unclear how you register for a slot and the likelihood of actually being one chosen to go.
The creation catalyst won’t fix the problems with tier; it just lets everyone finally get it.
We saw a more unified concept of tier sets and powers in Legion, and a different take on borrowed power in BFA.
Tier sets are just going backwards, and isn’t conducive to their current loot philosophy. Look at The Jailer: Nobody wants to bother with him because his loot is overall garbage, and the only incentive people are truly looking for is putting a universal tier piece. That would then be the only reason to fight him. Tier supersedes everything, and then it locks 4 slots, along with Unity taking one, and your class legendary taking another (and a different slot with a different one in a lot of cases).
The effects? Good. The pieces themselves? Archaic and restrictive. I got heroic Jailer pants and I couldn’t even wear them until I got my fifth piece–something too many players won’t see for a while, still.
I was countering the idea that tier is bad because it is RNG based, I offered solutions to that particular problem. Which is the connection you made in your last post. Does tier have other problems? YES, but don’t say something won’t fix the problems with it if the solution is for ONE PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
I am not expecting the catalyst to fix all issues with tier, but what I am expecting is the other problems you are bringing up to be brought to light more and more as the number of people with tier, and tier bonuses, increases. I have gotten 1 piece of tier, I can’t use it yet because I have better equipped and without the bonus, ugh. If I get normal tier, I still have better in some slots, so I am likely better waiting for the catalyst to activate and convert or that the hit till I can (just as a note: crafter eng helm and M+ gloves is what I use now).
You’re probably right. I’m competing against people who are overqualified. It makes me sad because I remember back in Vanilla, large raiding guilds used to be friendlier to new players and some of them would invite ungeared players to their raids and do carries, etc. So back then it was quite easy to raid regardless of skill level or qualifications.
That was the original spirit of World of Warcraft and I wish things would go back to the way they were. I miss the good old days when people were actually nice and helped each other out.
Most pugs I’ve seen don’t require tier, though they will take comp and ilvl into consideration (if you’re a class they don’t really need, have fewer kills, or lower ilvl than other applicants, then you’re SOL).
Also need to take into consideration how many of each role their bringing. If there’s 9 dps in a 2/3/9 group already, chances are you’re not going to have any luck.
It’s a competition for spots.
Most pugs look for 240 on the low end, 250 on the high end for ilvl.
Your best bet is a guild that raids or a raiding community.
These guilds still exist, just gotta look for them. It’ll be easier on some realms than others, but they’re out there.
I installed FFIV and got accepted right away all day long and met nice folks too. Thank you for the laughs of this thread existed so I know I made a good move see you in August when they fix this over tuned mess.
They don’t. It’s going to feel that way because if we are only taking 2 dps and 10 apply, 4 of those being 260+, the people who would actually get ilvl upgrades are going to be left in the dust. Until the catalyst comes out and charges for it are fairly accessible, all modes of difficulty of the raid right now are relevant.
Because those groups are being created by people who have either already progressed through the raid on their main and are looking for well geared, well experienced people so they don’t have to reprogress the bosses, or people who want to skip the progression part and just find well geared, well experienced people to carry them to easy kills.
With lots of people trying to complete tier sets at any cost, there is a large pool of players with high ilvls who are motivated to do normal. In that environment, if your ilvl is low you aren’t likely to get an invite.
You can create a group and fill it with whomever you like.
My guild has an ilvl requirement of 235. Most pugs will be 245-250 but only take the most geared applicants. It’s not a group of buddies progressing, it’s people looking for carries/overgeared people looking for a quick run to pick up some tier.
