i got into an eternal palace raid last night, and while i had a blast i pretty much embarrassed myself immensely. i wasn’t expecting to be top DPS on my first raid attempt since coming back to wow, but i wasn’t expecting to suck so horribly, terribly badly. both the tanks and all but one of the healers did more dps than i did, consistently through the raid except for a few AOE encounters where frost scythe bumped me up the ladder.
i know there’s a gear disparity as i’m a guest and they’re a guild that runs it regularly, but there HAS to be something i can do to make it so i’m not a detriment to the raid. as it was, i wasn’t doing enough DPS to justify the increase to boss HP for keeping me on board.
i’ve been running an icecap build because that works extremely well for soloing, but to get into early mythic dungeons i’ve been tanking. have i screwed up my DPS potential by getting half my gear in tank loot setting and half in dps, leaving me mediocre at both? is going to a breath of sindragosa build going to improve my dps even if i’m not maximizing it with ice-cap already?
i’m genuinely trying to learn here, criticism welcome but please don’t be mean:P
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Looking at your gear and talents, they aren’t optimal. Both trinkets are rather bad, you want cyclotronic blast on your punchcard (revered with mechagon dudes). Phial is just really bad on single target.
For talents, you want Cold Heart and Frozen Pulse in raids. Inex is just bad and scythe is just for M+. Breath would probably help as well.
I can’t say more than that without logs.
so i should swap scythe for frozen pulse and take up breath of sindragosa?
i’ve never used cold heart because chains of ice basically only works on trash and there’s no need for that while i’ve mostly solo’d up til now. is it really worth adding chains of ice to my rotation for yet another thing on the GCD when i could be using an obliterate or frost strike instead? i’m willing to try it of course, it just seems counter-intuitive to be using my CC as a damage dealer. i really need to maximize my single-target damage though, so i’ll take your advice of course.
Cold Heart deals a significant amount of damage, you should 100% pick it up. Choose some other major essence as well, crucible of flame major and lucid minor would probably be better for you. Even better, Blood of the enemy major and lucid minor would be great.
Set up a weak aura to notify you when chains get to 20 stacks. Hits like a truck. The CC part of it is NOT why the talent is taken.
i have crucible of flame rank 3, worldvein resonance rank 2, and memory of lucid dreams and vision of perfection are both at rank 1.
if there’s a way to get better essences by tonight’s raid, i’m all ears, but those are the ones i have right now
Go for crucible major and lucid minor
memory is hands down the best for frost as a minor try for rank 3 on that one. using breath just takes practice to get longer up time. the target dummys can help with that.
i’m workin on the nazjatar questline to upgrade memory
how do i do this? i downloaded weakauras 2 but i’ve never used it before
Google “how to create a weak aura in wow”.
There’s just so much to it, I don’t feel like typing out an entire novel, learning to do it on your own will help you out so much more in the future.
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Agreed with many of the helpful comments here. I also noticed that your az traits don’t have great stacking benefits. From what i’ve seen, most people go 3x frostwhelps or 3 x icy citadel.
Personally, my shoulder upgrade from 420 to 435 meant I lost one of my 3 ICs so now I have 2 Icy + 1 FWI, which is alright for M+10 at least (not too sure about raids)
With 3 icy citadels + icecap build though (I HATE breath but I believe mathematically it does more overall, if everything else is also perfect), you will have moments where pillar and icy citadel are BOTH active. This leads to some small windows where you can do enormous damage.
The 385 offhand might also be hindering you pretty badly. Regular mythics drop 400 weps so it might be worth it to run a few. Remember, you can select your loot drop spec too. So even if you have been tanking mythic +, you can just set the loot drop to frost so frost gear will drop for you even though you’re in blood. That’s what I did for weapons in the past since getting in for M+ as dps can take so much time.
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Upgrade both your weapons to heroic lvl will also give you a huge huge boost
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i had no idea azerite traits could stack, so i always tried to avoid getting two of the same thing…
Ah man! Yeah you’re missing out. Not every trait stacks in the same way, but I know icy and frost whelps do stack pretty directly. Some traits stack in terms of proc rate, others in terms of how much bonus stat you get or what not and others in duration.
Icy, for example, on a 435 piece gives roughly 1200 additional strength after pillar ends. So with 3 ICs, after pillar, you get nearly 4000 bonus strength. While icy is up, if you get lucky with your crits you can cast pillar again WHILE icy is up, so you have the bonus strength multiplied by the % modifier of pillar.
In those windows if you drop chains of frost you can easily hit for 80-100k.
got a helm upgrade in tonights raid, doubled up on icy and you were absolutely right. i was dropping 80 and 90k chains of ice when i didn’t end up wasting cooldowns having to move around to avoid the bad stuff.
question about breath of sindragosa. the tooltip says it deals damage until runic power is exausted. does it just keep going with no limit as long as i’m generating RP with obliterate and other abilities?
During BoS mode yes. You pretty much spam obliterate, pop howling blast when it procs, and make sure to keep remorseless winter going for as long as possible while spamming obliterates.
What gives it an edge over the icecap build is the fact that the time in which your using BoS makes up for the downtime. icecap can’t handle downtime as well.
all of this info has helped me out immensely, thank you guys:)
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This is not true. BoS builds have more downtime since BoS sucks out resources of the rotation. It’s not as prevalent compared to before but it’s still a thing. You can see this in the essence choices, since Icecap builds don’t want lucid dreams.
Hmm?
That is what I meant.
BoS has greater downtime yes, but because of the damage output during BoS uptime, it makes it more tolerant of those downtime periods even if they are longer.
Where as icecap, if the fight is mobile or forces a disconnect it is less tolerant of it compared to the BoS build which makes up for it with greater damage in its limited window.
Hopefully I am articulating myself well enough.
I see what you mean and it’s very true.