if u dont are meta class you never never get progress and high io on this game, i know the content is mediocre and they need people change clasess all time, but come on!
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Frankly, this is a skill issue.
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skill? HAHAHA this is not a darksoul game haha this is a poor targeting game, with interrupt mechanics haha is for low IQ players
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IDK buddy, there are players of literally every spec above 3500io. If you can’t make progress or advance your IO score, it is definitely a skill issue.
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if you want to stop being left out, we have to be OP as hell for like… years
From BFA S2 → end of DF S1, all 3 specs of warlock are in the bottom 4 of ranged dps performance in aggregate (based on Subcreation data). We are, statistically, the worst ranged dps in M+ in the game. The only ranged spec below us is Arcane Mage.
As for reasoning, I’m sure all sorts of people can list off a ton but I’d say it really boils down to the same issue DKs feel. Apart from brez, which druid does better, we bring very, very little utility. So we’re either an OP dps throughput pick, or we’re edged out by better options.
Admittedly, there’s an argument to be made that us being the worst ranged dps in M+ is justified, because, apart from spriest, we’re probably the best raid class from Emerald Nightmare → end of SL (again, in aggregate, based on 90 percentile WCL data).
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Bingo. You can climb with anything this season. Minus people wanting to do like +27 and up.
eh, after DF season 1 even in that season locks were OK, in season 2 warlocks were barely acceptable, and I’m talking Destro only, then 10.5 hits and locks have been in the dirt since, and looking for the next patch nothing will change
So do you want to message all of these destro locks and tell them they’re not good at high level mythic plus?
[Destruction Warlock World Mythic+ Spec Rankings (raider.io)](https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-df-2/world/warlock/destruction)
I used to joke back in BfA that I knew my M+ group was going to fail because they invited my Warlock. I don’t doubt that there is data, because as someone who plays all classes every expansion, if I was to pick “worst overall M+ class” from expansion to expansion it would be Warlock.
Very much this, although locks do have the advantage of being very tanky, which in an expansion with higher healing requirements should count for something. Also I think Gateway has a lot more potential in dungeons than gets realized. Everyone is used to having it in raid so strategies are built around it, but honestly with a bit of communication it could help in SO many dungeon fights
Hunters feel the same, especially since Evokers bring Lust. Only the pick when the damage is too good to pass up, like BM at the end of BfA and SV at the end of SL.
so the fact that a tiny bit of locks are that high means the class is good? no? They play with friends who are capable of carrying them. even if you play with Assassination Rogue and have a good team you going to end up with a high rating, that means nothing.
I hit 3k+ just puging on my lock and I know that my class is lacking compared to the rest, the class bad? no, but it lacks a lot of stuff that the other has and compared to mage or SP it is behind BY MILES so don’t come here throwing numbers telling you they are wrong just because some locks are R1 and that means the class is okay Jesus Christ I’m tired of people like this
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This isn’t a Warlock issue, it’s a not god comp issue. Everything outside of those 5 has a really hard time getting into keys.
What’s funny is that outside of god comp, the meta is reasonably balanced. Everyone goes from about 3500 to 3700 for the top 20. Warriors and Rogues are a little higher, Hunters are a little lower. Then the god comp players are 300-500 points higher than everyone else.
All we can do is hope Blizzard learns and doesn’t screw up next season like this one.
Based on the io ratings across all classes it seems destro is doing alright, outside of the godcomp they aren’t really performing worse than the other specs/classes in the game.
Anecdotally I’ve seen plenty of destro locks pulling good numbers in M+.
Even when looking at representation they don’t seem to be lower than the average spec.
these things aren’t exclusive
we can be decent outside of the god comp (which I agree, we are) while also facing general M+ discrimination overall because we’re traditionally on the bottom end of the ranged dps
the meta is cruel and this season 2 show how cruel is… so warlocks need help,
“Traditionally?” You mean last season where Warlocks were doing just fine (though admittedly it was a balanced season in general), or S3 and S4 of Shadowlands where Warlocks were busted OP and wanted for everything?
Try not to blow things out of proportion this season. It’s 100% the god comp that is screwing everything up. Balance outside of it is remarkably good, though that may just be because everyone has the same ceiling when it’s god comp +X.
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That’s recency bias. As I stated earlier, I’m looking all the way back to BFA. Even then. SL S4 wasn’t a full season and a full-on meme. I’m not blowing anything out of proportion, just relaying numbers.
This info isn’t terribly hard to find either. Subcreation does a pretty good job at maintaining archives of season end numbers.
I’m not sure if there’s an updated copy, but this is still floating around too (without DF S1, in which warlock wasn’t god comp either).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kvWgszCR6LIbhywIvBFOttTZKIOI1A8_LO7jl2fmB60/
As far as I’m concerned, things like ww monk, outlaw rogue, havoc dh, spriest, fire mage, etc. can stay in the gutter for 2-3 seasons to balance things out.
The TL;DR is that ranged is generally better in keys as a whole, which warlock being the worst ranged, but with the top end melee being better than any ranged.
There are plenty of warlocks that have a high m+ rating. Are they at the top, not at all, but they are definitely viable.
This tier the meta has been dominated by the guardian druid, holy paladin, shadow priest, aug evoker, and fire mage. I think it’s been one of the most consistently dominant comps since m+ seasons came out.
That being said, warlocks are still viable and can do well. Would I like to see some changes, definitely. But warlocks are viable unless you are trying to hit absurd keys.
Also, if this doesn’t require skill, then anyone can just apply face to keyboard and win right? If that’s the case, people wouldn’t be leaving out warlocks since you wouldn’t have to play to the meta so much.
THE META right now is very cruel, nobody want other class in the party just mage priest aug and druid tank, first time in wow history is too much cruel the meta, am stuck on 2.7k only get decline and when i put my key nobody enter just 1200io score…
And if you go all the way back to Legion instead, you’ll find Warlocks being absolutely busted in keys for multiple seasons.
Again, this meta is special (stupid) and we shouldn’t try to draw any overarching conclusions from it. In most previous seasons, off meta classes could get 1-2 keys levels below the meta. Now it’s a solid 3-4 and that’s only by fitting into the meta comp in place of the Mage.
This is basically the first season where the meta really does matter at all levels. You used to be able to say, at least for keys in the low-high range (so 21-25), that a good off meta spec was just as good as a FOTM reroller. Now that’s just not true and the god comp makes anything below 25 completely trivial.
The conclusions aren’t being drawn from just this season, they’re being drawn from an aggregate data sample spanning several years. Anything beyond S2 BFA isn’t in the archives, so they’re not factored, by omission. They could been super OP but the same specs that are stupid strong in the aggregate set could have been OP then and the summary data would still look very similar.
I stand by what I said. In aggregate, from BFA S2 → end of DF S1 (roughly January 22, 2019 → May 2, 2023 [almost 4 1/2 years]) warlock is undisputedly the worst ranged dps in keys.
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