Jak just posted a M+ Healer tier list saying “yeah, Oracle Disc Priest is going to get nerfed, the question is how much” so creating this discussion is indeed relevant lol.
He said that there’s no good way to nerf it since nerfing shield increases won’t dramatically change things, but I disagree there. If PW:S got nerfed by 20-40% on average by nerfing Weal and Woe and the multiplicative PW:S buffs, that changes the HPS economics and makes it more comparable to Voidweaver.
Shielding is the one good thing Oracle has. Nerfing it would just make it unplayable while immediately making all other classes climb the ladder.
I really don’t want to go back to Mindbender bursts with Voidweaver. It feels extremely unjust for Oracle to do one good thing to make up for all its deficiencies and be considered OP and nerfed based on that alone. It feels petty and selfish for every healer to whine about the same. Why is it when Druids or Pallies get OP builds they keep them around for an entire expansion, but Priests can’t play with their shiny new toys for even a full patch?
If disc gets to keep their 12 million shields on a 6 second cd and 20 second duration, then it’s only fair that other healers should have their externals or group survival utility buffed to match.
Holy Priests should get a free Guardian Spirit tacked on to every Empowered Renew or Holy Word cast and every time Benediction procs.
Holy Paladins should have their old Illuminated Healing back.
Resto Shamans should either have 30% max health Ancestral Vigor or 15 second cooldown Spirit Link Totem, probably both.
Resto Druids should apply Ironbark at 50% effectiveness with every hot they cast, stackable.
Mistweavers should also have Life Cocoon buffed to Oracle PW:S values, duration and cooldowns.
Then finally Prevokers should have Rewind on a 15 second cooldown.
That’s all it takes to put all the other healers on the same level as Oracle Disc without nerfing the latter.
This 100%, Disc is a blast currently, why dumb down the fun/excitement it currently has, if anything let Disc be the class to set the bar and bring other Healers to it’s level of enjoyment.
Buff other Healers not nerf!
Once again, DO NOT NERF DISC, buff other healers! A good example make Resto Druid HoTs actually heal rather just a buff to spam Regrowth.
Lol you can always tell when people don’t play a class and just listen to random streamers, hidden profile too speaks volumes.
12 mil PWshields every 6 seconds isn’t happening.
@666 w/ 50% crit ( base 30% and inner focus )
-PW shield base healing with a crit is like just around 3 mil with just atonement up modifying the healing/absorb. ( it also doesn’t always crit btw )
-Weal and WoE x7 stacked from one penance->PW shield ( again with a crit ) is 6.5 to 7 mil area.
With Piety+W&W+32%atonement bonus I can get it to 8.2 mil maybe. ( again if I get a lucky crit )
Where are you getting 12 mil EVERY 6 seconds from? I can get 12 mil on my Life Cocoon easily. Cant seem to get 12 mil PW shields consistently every 6 seconds. Maybe 3-4 mil to 7-8 Mil with things lined up and I get very lucky with a ton of crits.
My monk’s LC is a cool 9.9 mil. Id rather a DR be tacked onto it than more absorbage please. More absorbage isnt everything.
Someone posted above that Disc is literally like one level above other classes. Streamers are literally just farming this, and your reactions for content. Complain if Oracle gets like 2-4 levels above every healer and maybe ask them to buff the classes that are 2 levels behind? But one level? Streamers really got you guys riled up over this. At this point they should just remove Lenience and buff up the few classes that are lagging behind 1-2 key levels.
Stop listening to streamers who are literally farming your reactions to stuff. Stop spreading misinformation. Oracle is fine.
I remember when everyone or most of the disc community shat on Oracle… Since when did everyone decide to abandon the void weaver ship to bandwagon?
A few weeks ago a player timed the highest key (I think it was a 17 at the time) as oracle disc, and then everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
The nerfs are out though and they seem fair enough! Can’t wait to try oracle as Holy now. Glad to see the buffs.
Seriously?
Can we stop with the weird hyperbole?
Disc is putting out 3-4 mil shields that can generally crit for about 7 mil. They’re going to average like 5.5mil at best even if you’ve built up 30% crit.
They are not putting out 12 mil shields outside total meme screenshots where people are doing everything they can to maximize their PW:S including putting on the Season 1 set.
Every single thing you’ve posted in this post is just crazy hyperbole bullcrap that doesn’t even take into consideration what these specs do outside those windows.
Life Cocoon is going to shield more most the time unless it’s a perfectly boosted PW:S crit during Piety. But the important thing is that monks are doing 800k damage and 5-6mil raw hps alongside it while Disc is putting out 3-4.
Twinsight was a sick change and made the spec really really good.
Nerfs have arrived but kind of looks worse for raid than dungeons?
It was not very long ago all the guide makers and streamers didn’t even acknowledge an oracle + barrier spec as existing outside of PvP. Then everyone tried it and actually decided playing a disc priest as a healer focus instead of a fake DPS was actually fun. 
Hopefully the nerfs aren’t big enough to ruin it.
Exactly!!! You go to look up a build for Oracle nothing, they suggested you not even LOOK at the tree.
So casually just putting a 3-4 mil absorb on a person every 6 seconds isn’t nuts to you? I’m 665 ilvl atm and have around 8.7 mil health. A disc priest being able to shield a person for 50% of their health every 6 seconds is nutty. I said it above, I don’t think anything else about disc needs to change except nerfing some shield interactions, which from what I can tell they did. The shielding will still be nutty but a 40% absorb increase from weal and woe a
Instead of 80% will def be noticeable.
No, and apparently the devs also don’t think so because even with the nerfs we will still be able to drop 3-4 mil shields every 6 seconds xD
Again though, NO one was dropping 12 mil shields every 6 seconds.
They do think so though, that’s why they’re nerfing weal and woe. Also I never said they could put shields on people for 12 mil. I do think 3-4 mil is insane and I do think this nerf is a good step in the right direction.
Still be able to get 5.4 ish mil shields actually even with the weal and woe nerf. So Im not too worried. Atonement changes and penance changes will be interesting in raid/m+ though
Only wish they would have buffed some of the abilities in the class tree for disc tbh ( PROM/Nova )
Developers’ notes: Discipline Priests are performing beyond where we would like them to be, so we’re reducing the impact of their Power Word: Shield, Penance, and Atonement throughput. Weal and Woe now increases the absorb of Power Word: Shield by 5% per stack (was 10%). Does not apply to PvP combat. Penance damage and healing reduced by 15%. Not applied to PvP combat. Allies with Atonement are now healed for 28% of damage done (was 32%). Atonement is now 125% more effective outside of raids (was 100%). Voidweaver: Void Blast damage increased by 10%.
This enough to run D-Oracle into the dirt (again)? Without the big shield, what does Oracle bring over VW, Holy, or any other healer?
Meanwhile other healers are being buffed 
What a weird way to tell everyone you’re really bad at the game and don’t know how it works.
The Weal and Woe nerf is about a 20% shield nerf on average (1.35/1.70) which was the minimum value I thought it would be, so Disc should still be pretty good.
The Penance change is more likely to have unintended side effects for Oracle Disc.