I’m rolling an orc rogue so I’m wondering how rogues fare against these 2 clothies. Also do you need to be pvp specced to win 1v1 or is combat(pve spec) sufficient?(I don’t want to re spec every time).
I can’t speak of rogues much because I only played one up to level 30 or so in Vanilla. But I did main a warlock back then and can tell you a bit from that perspective against rogues.
I know some people will say that rogues beat warlock’s easily, but that wasn’t my experience at all. I beat most rogues I came up against on my warlock. The felhunter had the ability back then to detect stealth. It would detect the rogue or feral druid right before they would get to me which gave me the time to quickly hit death coil. It’s now called mortal coil in live. It’s an instant cast, short fear with a heal. Once I hit them with that I would use my normal fear, start applying all my dots, drain life, etc., while keeping them feared.
Since I loved PvP on my warlock, I had the felhunter out a lot because of stealthed players. If a rogue did get the jump on me and attempted to keep me stunlocked I would keep spamming death coil waiting for that tiny window that I wasn’t stunned to get them off of me. Once I got out of the stun, I would then win against the rogue every time. The only time a rogue ever beat me was when I didn’t get that small window to use death coil.
Also remember that back then the spells and talents were very different. I had three different fears. Death coil, fear and howl of terror. Playing a clothie you have to know how to use all of your CC properly or you were quickly dead. The key was not letting them touch you.
So basically maybe all of what I said can help you with how to counter a warlock somewhat. I’m sure some who mained rogues back then can give you some good advise, but I have also always found knowing my opponents helps a ton.
Edited for grammar. Autocorrect /Sigh
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The following is simply my 2 copper and experience:
Warlocks: How you fare will depend a lot on the warlocks build and skill. Against the average warlock? The game has been rigged in your favour you should win. A long, bow-legged walk down Wash-up Lane awaits you if you lose. Against, say, a well-geared, SL warlock who knows what they’re doing? Pray the lock is feeling kind and uses lube. That you’re an Orc rogue only means the fight will be mercifully short. Being an Undead rogue who places their faith in their vaunted WotF means you only deluded yourself into believing that you can triumph, when in reality you merely delay the inevitable.
Mage: Again, this is another fight you should win if you are against the average mage player. However, much like the warlock, if you are against a Mage that has decent gear and is controlled by a skilled player, you’re in for a tough fight. The mage has an answer for all of your CC’s and has vastly superior ones of their own which will prove lethal when combined with their unmatched firepower. If you’re against a Mage clad in at least a full Blue pvp set and is prancing about with a face-melting elementalist build, you’re better served by choosing a different target.
And that’s about it, as concisely as I can put it and from my experience. Sorry that I do not have a happier prognosis for you (actually, no I’m not, as I’m planning to play these classes!). But Rogues vs Warlocks/Mages is kind of like high school. You, the Rogue, the star athlete of the football team, will have no trouble putting those book-reading nerds in their place in the initial phases of the game. But as those dorks grow in power, acquire better gear and gather more skills while your best days are a thing of the past, you’ll find yourself working for them while they drive about in the spiffy cars and making out with their trophy wives when their lips aren’t wrapped around an inhaler.
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Wow nice response I really enjoyed it haha. If I hadn’t already rolled a lock once before I would have instantly chose to play lock in classic thanks to your reply. I’m really itching towards playing a lock now. The furthest I got on my lock was tier 1 but I want to experience the destruction of a tier 3 geared lock.
Rogues got a rep as being “amazing” in PVP and…frankly I think it’s overrated.
Generally speaking rogues don’t do too well against locks and mages as noted above. They’re abysmal against hunters, and an arms warrior will chop them up too.
Rogues are great for sneak attacks and helping to catch someone unawares. They’re FANTASTIC in older styles of AV because you can sneak graveyards, mines, stealth clear towers etc.
Now I’m not amazing at PvP and focus more on PvE, but I’m not a slouch either.
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I honestly never got the hype around vanilla rogues in pvp. For the majority of vanilla they werent even that good agaibst most classes.
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Thanks and can locks top dps meters at beyond Molten core?
There were some videos out there that made rogues look op, and then the tanking potential
I don’t remember, I believe they were after warriors/mages/rogues but picked up late aq40/Naxx. You’ll never top as a Warlock, but you’ll never be denied a spot either.
though I remember my tier one lock with 4.6k health getting killed so fast by an Hemo undead rogue with a shadow reflector. (Maby being sl would have helped)
However I remembered while leveling at like level 40ish I took out 2 green level rogues at once who jumped me.
Rogues can be an intimidating class because they can rig a fight in their favour, the most obvious of which is deciding when and when not to fight. There is a big psychological component to their victories.
If you’re out on your own in the world going about questing when abruptly a rogue jumps you and half your health disappears in a manner of seconds, 90% of the time you’re dead because it’s unlikely you’re prepared to fight a high CC/high dps stealth class right then and there on their own terms and at such a starting disadvantage.
This is duplicated in battlegrounds. We all know the tense paranoia of being the lone guardian of a node in Arathi Basin only to get jumped, as well as being the back-of-the-pack player running across WSG who gets murdered when the rest of their team unwittingly abandons them. Rogues excel when they can decide all the terms of a fight and can seem invincible when everything goes their way. But they fare poorly when they’re the centre of an enemy teams attention, and if you can catch them out in the open they typically collapse quicker than a chair from Ikea.
Gaining experience, learning their tricks and remaining cool under a sudden life-or-death ambush are the keys to defeating Rogues.
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Replying to both of you, but it’s because of the stigma…
Early vanilla rogues had access to substantially better gearing options, since caster gear neither had the stamina or the damage boosting ability that early rogue weapons had (onyxia had AQ40 ilvl 1hs, Ragnaros had AQ40 level daggers… and before the weapon speed normalization, Barman shanker was basically an AQ40 weapon on account of being 2.00 speed)… These things combined into a perfect storm for giving Rogues a very powerful stigma that followed them the rest of the era… This is not unlike people claiming WOTLK DKs to be hilariously overpowered for all of WOTLK because of Season5, when by Season 6 they where statistically the worst class in the history of the game up until that point.
By 1.12 (which is what this is all based upon), Rogues where still pretty good at “smurfing” people in less gear than them, but pretty damn overrated overall.
No… because you will pull aggro before that happens early on, and in late game other classes will outscale you. You will be incredibly desirable for raids, however, and a top tier pvp class.
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Depends on the people play ing the classes just as much and probably more than the class itself.
same as always
If I roll horde I can’t wait to rush to 60 so that I can summon infernal so that I can grief low level quest hubs haha.
Goldshire here I come!
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dont forget you need few others with you
That’s for doomguards if your referring to that. Nice you have both infernal and doomguards at the same time tho(idk if you can have in the same place since they might attack each other)
What a well played Rogue looks like these days in 1.12
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oh oopseys
Funny thing bout AB base defense against rogues in current WoW.
For those who don’t know, when you look at your map or /read your character pulls a lil scroll out and looks at it making it obvious you are looking at the map(Current not Classic). I once did /read defending an AB base to trick a rogue if one was nearby and sure enough, they popped up capping flag! LOL.
You don’t need an infernal to do that… Simply go into the 1-5 zone and cast max rank curse of recklessness on a mob, and watch what happens when it has 75-150x the attack power it normally would.