I started levelling up a hunter alt and was never really a fan of melee hunters. How are they doing in WPvP and BGs specifically?
Did you want the honest opinion or the fake opinion that Blizz Devs want us to tell?
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You try to pick off people mage AOE groups got low with 42 yard auto attacks. That’s it, that’s your entire experience.
Chimera Shot instantly crits for 800 from 42 yards on a short CD, Viper Sting drains 1/4 of a casters mana with a single use and has no cooldown, trap launcher traps activate so fast you can Freezing Trap people off of a Concussive Shot, you have +30% HP either this phase or next from Lion + 10% HP surv talent, pet scaling makes pets still do good damage even if you’re not BM spec.
Hunters are S tier in PvP and only lack self healing which all of the other S tier PvP specs have.
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I ran across this youtuber who is playing petless marksman in SoD. Looks like its viable, takes skill to do well but even then you arent unfairly and absurdly OP
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Awesome response, thanks.
I was looking at BM but semes like the other specs are more viable atm
They’re both fine
BM gives you a stun and pet debuff immunity / more balance between hunter and pet damage. Bonus is that BM can be played as melee so you can run two setups off of one spec
MM gives you a short duration CC / more hunter shot damage and less pet damage
Both will run chimera shot and trap launcher (unless melee)
I’d say MM is better with gear and BM is better without gear, or BM is always better if you play melee at times and don’t want to respec
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Ranged hunter in pvp is likely the most balanced class for pvp in terms of power, counterplay, reasonable damage output, etc.
The problem is others are comparatively overtuned and it makes ranged hunter feel week because of it.
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I tend to agree with this. Sometimes a BM hunter is tough to deal with, but if I can catch them in the right situation then I can beat them. The BM hunter sitting on the roof in WSG defending the FC with a flair at the tunnel exit is one area where I can’t beat it. Can’t kill the pet before it kills me. Need to kill the hunter.
I got Bite crit on my Mage for 800 by a BM pet. That spec is very good as well.
That was likely a BW+Kill Command with a lucky crit.
Essentially that one bite is doimg +50% then +60% from those CDs.
Outside of those 2 cds (1 min and 2 min cd) the pet tickels.
A normal bite crit might reach 350ish and bite has a 10 second CD.
It can look initmidating until you realize its not the damage output the pet will do 95% of the time.
For the record that is a good amount of damage, but is not anything special compared to what others can put out.
Pretty meh honestly. If you have a full mail set it might be fun but hitting 40 and them not giving us updated preraid options for mail/plate sets is pretty lame.
Apparently spellpower mm hunters are kinda fun (if you want to wear a dress and die even faster).
Yeah, that’s not happening
600x4 = 2400. My priest in BFD/gnomer gear has 4.2k mana. This is also not happening.
You can freezing trap people without using concussive shot. They can also trinket out of it, and unlike lets say polymorph you can’t reapply it.
Lion doesn’t increase your hp by 20%, it increases your stamina by 20%. If your Chimera shot is hitting for any real damage, you’re likely using lone wolf and not lion.
Also if you’re taking survival talents with lion, there’s not a chance you’re doing 800 damage crits with chimera.
Pets don’t get the hp buff in battlegrounds that players get. Pets die in about 2-3 attacks even when BM. They die even faster if you’re not. Void plague alone is like 75% a pets total hp.
Sometimes you are the sniper, one aim + cs, if both crits, you get an instant kill
Ranged hunter in Era would be extremely strong with its current runes.
Ranged hunter in SoD is the weakest class right now. It’s the only class that cannot interrupt a spell cast. It’s the only class with no defensive cooldown and no self healing. If you get hit with any cc in any way as a hunter, your only option is your trinket. Other classes have had so many mobility and damage improvements, it’s impossible to control the fights in any way with the very limited options hunters have right now to keep your targets at range.
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BM is perfectly viable, you just have to have more pet control as your damage can easily die if your pet gets targeted. A bestial wrathed pet can absolutely blast a caster with kill command and there is nothing they can do about it other than run and try to kill the pet. I normally run 31 BM with chimera and it’s been a phenomenal PvP spec.
Hunter just requires longer kill times than other great PvP classes. Positioning is more important to not be the target of melee. Trap launcher and viper sting are super oppressive in group play and do a ton to swing fights in your favor.
Chimera Shot got buffed by 20% recently, I did a 1300 crit yesterday, 800 crit is like the bare minimum if you spec MM and have the epic gun. all without Lone Wolf.
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And that is why i put
Ranged hunter has a healthy level of damage, counterplay, etc.
It doesnt 100-0 people before they can react, it doesnt have obseen mobility and CC, or huge survival and self healing.
It is likely the weakest class, but its also the healthiest class in terms of pvp.
A 20% buff on an ability that was doing 200-300 damage does not turn it into a 1300 damage hit.
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They can reach that amount in pve because of
-45 resistances weapon proc
20% more damage from nature damage (boomkin)
Power infusion 20% (it is spell damage)
If the group built around the hunters damage it is possible. But thats very, very nitch conditions.