This is mainly about the writers of guides for certain classes.
WoWhead is a great source of information to come out like upcoming or changes to literally anything. I’m fine with that. Let me tell you what I’m not fine with.
There are certain discords for classes that always spew “sim yoself” is the only way to success. Like the person saying that is actually more useless than the sim itself. You can sim yourself all you want, but that sim isn’t gonna play your character.
I’ve went to a few discords just to ask like a basic question about stats, hard caps on tertiary stats or whatever. Then I see a bunch of people spewing from a guide misinformation. Like use this if (x) but if not this then this. Imagine trying to tell players to cancel a 250-300k channel for 3 other casts that will do significantly less damage, probably averages out to like lets say 220k. Then referring to your “math” as the correct answer.
TLDR: Don’t listen to the class writers 100% when they are writing these guides, they’re a guideline. not set in stone. If you notice that your rotation is performing better than what they say, then do that. Use them as a reference. I’ve noticed a lot of (for lack of a better word) sheep, trying to justify everything the writers say/do and hate when someone calls them out for being wrong.
End rant. Not mad, just disappointed.
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Your first mistake was expecting decent advice from people who use Discord.
I have never been a stickler for the meta (just look at the class I’m playing), but I honestly think if you can’t extrapolate your own ideas from guides (which is, like, their purpose), then you don’t deserve the guide.
Until the writers become ones from Blizzard’s design team, I always take them with a grain of salt anyway.
I agree man, I mean I normally outsource too for information if I want to push higher than what I currently am or what to prog further. Like there’s so many ways. I don’t use the discord typically, I went there to ask about avoidance cap and nobody could answer it, so I had to dig around to find its either 20% or 27% lmao
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“What’s the cap on avoidance?”
“Sim yourself!”
Sorry I was just imagining your interaction in the monk discord and got a good chuckle 
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I only go to cat discords.
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I think it’s worth noting the sim APLs (API?) or whatever it is, are written by the guide writers. I don’t think people realize it’s not just some magical AI that sims every possible rotation with every possible usage of abilities in a given order.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re good, but they’re hard coded to do things in a specific way based on how the authors put it in. At least the base line sims, you can nerd out and change it yourself, but that’s a lot of effort.
The type of person that writes this post is usually the same type thats asking what are the stat priorities and haste caps when they don’t exist. The best answer is to literally sim the gear available because the question you are asking doesn’t actually have an answer. You are getting mad at people for not being able to answer a question. “Sim it” is usually the best way to answer these types of questions they aren’t trying to be mean.
What you quoted literally does have an answer, and a sim - by design - will not answer that.
Edit: it’s 20% btw
What are you even on about. I went in there to ask about avoidance cap lmao never had the issue before. I know my stat prios man.
Ya a sim for tertiary is stupid obv.
My post is more aimed at the deluge of secondary requests the discords get.
I mean if someone told you to sim tertiary then ya thats just a ridiculous response and they (i hope) misinterpreted the question and thought you meant secondaries lol.
Wowhead and Icy veins guides mostly suck and you can generally tell who likes their class and spec vs someone who doesnt give a damn and has to write something to fill a hole.
Rogue for example.
Duhhh dednd nurvs gud when lots o fizical damuge. XDDDD"
Bruh.
I wasted gold on these cause I was curious. I don’t about bonus tertiary stats or their soft caps. Personally, I go Speed for boots and Avoidance for cloak and wrist.
All enchants are highest rank (3 star quality)
Speed:
Cloak = Homebound Speed
Wrist = Devotion of Speed
Feet = Plainsrunner’s Breeze
125 = 2.5% (Cloak)
200 = 4.0% (Wrist)
250 = 5.0% (Feet)
325 = 6.5% (Cloak/Wrist)
375 = 7.5% (Cloak/Feet)
450 = 9.0% (Wrist/Feet)
575 = 11.2% (Cloak/Wrist/Feet)
Leech:
Cloak = Regenative Leech
Wrist = Devotion of Leech
125 = 1.14% (Cloak)
200 = 1.82% (Wrist)
325 = 2.95% (Cloak/Wrist)
Avoidance:
Cloak = Graceful Avoidance
Wrist = Devotion of Avoidance
125 = 1.74% (Cloak)
200 = 2.78% (Wrist)
325 = 4.51% (Cloak/Wrist)
Oh I know my enchants haha, no, I have this unfortunate issue of getting too lucky, I rolled avoidance on 6 pieces of gear before bonus enchants, 2 of which I need valor to be uncapped to max them to 415 :D.
Edit: So I need to account for approximately 600+ more avoidance on what I already have, I just wanted to find out what the cap was 
can you share some of that avoidance please
to be fair, 90% of the time it’s people asking “is x or y piece of gear better?”
in which case, yes the answer is to sim it.
When people ask for help looking over logs I’ve seen lots of people offer to help with that
when people ask about talent choices I’ve seen some nice discussions develop
there’s definitely bad advice, but learning how to parse out misinformation and find knowledge yourself is an important life skill.
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Even then it’s suspect. They smash together class changes and updates without a ton of testing and foresight on effects to that class. If the design team did a great job, classes would be fair and balanced, and probably not half broken on dps meters.
of course not. no one thinks it will, but the sim will give you the most accurate data on what is theroetically possible. far more than some dude in discord can.
