I think I’ve mentioned straw-manning and the alarming quantity of people who clearly don’t understand the concept half a dozen times at this point.
Probably took me a bit longer than it should’ve to realize “what’s the point”
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And plenty of people believe “abusive criticism” is just “not loving everything about WoW.”
We can all just assert things from our own perspective and say “this is how it is.”
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Pretending that the populations of the two are anywhere near equal, is pretty alarming.
These 2 or 3 people said this. Thats basically comparable to the couple hundreds acting the opposite end.
See, its all the same.
If I thought constructive feedback was a problem, I would have mentioned it.
But it isn’t.
I’m pointing out behavior that is an issue.
I mean, you might live in a world where every time you raise a concern, you have to preface it by, “Let’s be clear – this concern doesn’t always happen. #NotAllPosters,” but that’s not the world I live in.
It’s the whataboutism for me.
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Being able to detach from things that are harmful to your psyche is a valuable skill.
Therefore being angry about criticism on the forums is a skill issue.
We can all just define things into a box that makes them reasonable. 
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What do you mean by “invaded”? That other people come in and … gasp … disagree or voice their own opinion? We’re in a forum that’s open for everyone.
You can defend this all you want, but I’ve seen many departures from players who didn’t come back. These snarky responses from people who want to be funny and mock others who try to write a last farewell to the community they’ve been in for many years are pretty toxic.
They all pretended to quit but then continued playing anyways. You’re just not seeing them. Must be playing rogues.
Well, thats enough strawmanning statements for me. I hope you well in future conversations
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You just complained about people responding with positiveness to complaints.
Please stop the double standards.
Except these goodbye posts are rarely from members of the forum community. They are almost always people not active in this community.
It’s been a bad faith discussion from the first post so I kind of just decided to go along with it.
No, I think people do understand. The fact of the matter is that OP’s take isn’t actually all that hot: Abusive, inflammatory language directed at developers personally should be unanimously condemned by everyone.
The fact that there’s any pushback against this take means one thing, usually: Those people have behaved exactly how OP is describing and they feel called out by it, so they’re going to employ everything they can to deflect back onto OP, even if it means twisting what they said.
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Yes. You have been bad faith from the start. I would have liked an honest conversation. Maybe next time.
Please stop being angry with my statements.
lol, not surprising.
This thread went from crybabying to crybullying quick.
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See this is how I interpreted the OP as well.
Alas, the majority of the comments are “YoU’rE tRyInG tO sIlEnCe CrItIcIsM”
Whether people do or don’t understand, I’m witnessing straw-manning on nuclear-grade levels
No, I didn’t. You’re completely wrong and I never said something like this. It’s fine and the right thing to do in a discussion to give a personal positive opinion on a negative matter. What I was “complaining” (that’s what I was talking about - every criticism on a subject is viewed as ‘complaining’ or ‘whining’ ) about is that a lot of people these days tend to personally attack someone or get unreasonably defensive for negative criticism.
So what? The forums are for everyone, not just for a small elite of players who sink hours and hours into writing posts. You’re neither special nor a licensed gatekeeper for the forums just because you collected a post count of 26,5k posts.
Most people never interact with the forums but decide to do so when they leave, to get some closure. Nothing wrong with that.
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Nilann’s making a lot of fair points
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I think Akston’s point in saying this isn’t to gatekeep but to provide a demonstration of what OP is arguing against.
Because goodbye posts really do nothing but fuel the “WoW is dying and the developers are incompetent” narrative. Very rarely will they supply anything substantial beyond “I’m leaving this game. WoW sucks and the developers have no idea what they’re doing to fix it.”
People are entitled to make those posts, I guess, but they aren’t illuminating anything of note about the game, nor are they revealing something to Blizzard that Blizzard themselves aren’t already aware of (I.E. declaring your departure from the game. Blizzard already knows you’re leaving the moment you cancelled your sub.).
They are meaningless posts designed to aggravate the community.
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Reolt’s making a lot of fair points
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Haugsp is currently making fair points.
I’m down for banning trolling and personal attacks. Drop the hammer.
I’m pretty surprised that 20 of you actually gave this guy a like, and while i agree that people who personally attack the devs are out of line, i don’t think the answer is to erase anyone that’s critical of the game and doesn’t provide their feedback in a very specific, calm/constructive manner.
People are passionate about the games they love and they’re often upset when they come here to rant about the latest thing that’s rubbing a bunch of people the wrong way, I’m less baffled by upset rants than i am about people who hang about on the forums all day defending Blizzard and attacking people that are coming here to complain about stuff lol
If the game is so perfect and you’re happy about the way everything is, then go and play the game and be happy, Blizzard isn’t going to give you a gold star for hanging around here defending their honor.
- Banning people that attack devs personally 100% ok with me.
- Banning people for not delivering their feedback in the ideal format, not ok.
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