Been doing a lot of the solo shuffle mode lately and the state of it is in absolute shambles. Every single match you ether have prot warriors on both sides with 4pc tier one shot people with shield slam or you have people taking off all their armor so they die in one hit and you can blast through all 6 rounds in just a few minutes.
It’s not going to get better until they introduce a real reward and rating system that draws serious players.
Right now it’s just full of meme specs.
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Templates, remember those?
PvP would be playable if they still existed.
Not the crazy 1-shot balance nightmare it currently is.
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I tried guardian shuffle few times, not a big fan. Reward sucks anyways.
I remember people complaining about them and asking for them to be removed.
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A real case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
The problem with templates was that some specs got bad stat allocations, but the fix for that is player-tunable stat allocations with a budget, ala Diablo, not removing the system altogether.
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The rewards are not the issue right now. You can’t even play a match properly because they end in 5 seconds due to what I listed above.
it’s not a solo shuffle problem but more protection war tier set in pvp lol
Those are the people 1-shotting and lording over others, I’m sure. No-lifers being able to crush people who just want to play.
They just want to stomp noobs, it’s twinking all over again.
Removing those templates was a bad idea. PvP was more fun when they existed, because anyone could contribute.
How do you feel with a teammate made of paper on your side? That would run out and get killed, unable to do any objectives? Templates removed that problem.
PvP should be about skill, gear is only icing on top of that.
As it stands, it’s totally reliant on gear, which goes against what makes PvP fun and fair.
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My point was if there was a larger pool of players you wouldn’t come across prot warriors as often.
They are attracted to something they can dominate when the rest of the population isn’t really taking it seriously or playing it.
Once I get my 4 set I could probably do well in it as a geared prot pally but have no interest due to lack of reward / rating system. I’m sure many others feel the same as me
Sir… one shotting people is pretty fun. It makes PVP fun when you know you can do it.
Why do you want to remove fun?
yes this is fun , you know you can be the guy stomping noobs , it is really fun .
equalized pvp would be boring as hell after 1 month
if i want full skill pvp i just go invest my time in League of Legends
It’s not fun if you’re on the other end.
It’s not sustainable either. You think people getting 1-shot are going to stick around?
I stopped PvP’ing in WoW when they removed the templates, because it’s just awful to run into someone with everything. Casuals are leaving en masse, those who PvP’d like myself.
You guys say templates were boring, yet PvP participation was much, much higher back then.
It’s not boring, you’re being dramatic lol.
Now, we’d rather play other PvP games instead of WoW because WoW doesn’t care about casual PvP.
Strongly disagree, I PvP’d more in Legion than just about any other xpac. It was great hopping to alt to alt and playing classes and specs I normally wouldn’t even imagine of trying in BGs thanks to there not being a steep onramp involved in doing so.
COMMENTARY: Templates are good. People were just mad that they played X hours and couldn’t one shot people which makes no sense
In pvp games progression is ladder climbing not ilevel grind
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Its frustrating on the other end - but losing is frustrating in general.
If you lose because under geared - the solution is to get better gear.
If you lose because you don’t know what your doing - then the solution is to learn what to do.
Are there superior specs for solo shuffle - probably but I would say that 6 solo players who have to learn to coordinate on the fly repeatedly with a shifting teams will always lead to the most under geared/unknowledge person getting destroyed repeatedly regardless.
In any PVP battle - about half the players involved will lose.
This game is designed around the idea of spending time grinding to get rewards in order to perform better. Your suggestion would be to take the primary motivation on which this game is designed in there PVP system.
Templates were removed for a reason. They destroy player agency. And I don’t think random battles in the solo shuffle is going to convince anyone to bring them back.
Templates = random dev decides what build is going to be BiS all xpac, removes any char customization, makes you feel like playing a rented char.
Scaling = cryptic unknowable system that has exploitable bugs that the cool kids use and find out through extensive alpha/ beta/ ptr testing and word of mouth.
Blizzard has a terrible track record of balancing scaling damage systems and being transparent about the mechanics of the system.
MoP WoD glyphs have been better than every system they’ve tried to replace it with
Reforging w/ gem slots default was the most pvp customization we had in pvp
Instead of doing broad sweeping systems to try and solve a problem that isn’t going to be solved they should just make more pvp modes and non team based competitive progression paths for people to use.
That way people can actually learn and play on their own time instead of being used to grease the cogs of a highly unreliable matchmaking system that does not in anyway shape or form reward players properly for beating people of certain exp.
I don’t know how equalized ilvs would work anymore because it seems like something that would have to be done in M+ and raiding since there is more crossover gearing now.
It’s solo shuffle, it was never going to be good.
Yeah blizzard intentionally makes bad solo content so they can try and use it as an excuse to not do more of it imo
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People were mad they couldn’t get the stats their class/spec wanted. Templates gimped some more than others.