Horde, you can’t have both

PVP War Mode and World PvP
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I’ve noticed quite a few people complaining about the situations going on in warmode.

When the expansion started their were more Horde doing Warmode because the game is played mostly by people who main Horde.
So when Alliance players see they will be outnumbered 5 too 1 they just do what the Horde have been telling them and so they ‘Turn off warmode’
Then their aren’t any Alliance to kill, so Horde complain about not having Alliance to kill. They ask Blizzard to try and get the Alliance to go back into Warmode
Blizzard decides to incentivize the Alliance into going into Warmode, and Alliance and Horde began to roughly balance out.
Horde starts to complain that the Alliance are getting incentivized too do Warmode, even though they asked Blizzard to try and get the Alliance back into Warmode.
Horde all start to quit Warmode, remaining Alliance follow suit
New patch comes out, Horde goes back into Warmode, and wonder where the Alliance have gone off too.

I’m beginning to see a pattern here. Sorry to say, but some of you need to be careful of what you wish for. Regardless, me and Percy will continue to go against overwhelming odds.

Also want to take a quick mention that on RP servers it’s the complete opposite of what’s going on. We have plenty of Alliance in Warmode, and practically zero Horde. I think this is going on because roleplayers typically have more faction pride when compared to regular players, and that being combined with the fact that their are typically more Alliance than Horde on RP realms, it would make sense that the Horde on these servers would be facing 1 - 5 matches, so this isn’t really a thing about ‘Alliance are cowards’ or ‘Horde are cowards’ it’s about it not being fun to be ganged up on by gangs of the opposite faction.

In other words, you can’t really get the minority faction into being balanced in warmode without giving them incentives. It’s a case of be careful what you wish for.

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Maybe alliance needs to form more Wpvp guilds.

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This is the interesting snippet. Why would the Alliance quit[in the Normals]? They’re getting the good stuff out out of WPvP. I might have missed it the past two months I started semi-retirement. Back in April, AOO was alternating by the week. Non-AOO week was quite well. AOO week begins and it’s “watch out”. As Horde, I got close to the temptation of turning WM off. I think I only turned it off one time to see if it would help the faction get AOO early in 8.1. I kept it on because hey: it was still a free and easy(because I almost never had to work for it) 10% currency bonus.

It’s water under the bridge, but when I did WPvP with a new dark iron dwarf(xraced from dwarf) in 8.0, I had no choice but to take on the Horde alone. I won’t make the same mistake again, and that mistake is rectified when I recalled this toon to punish the Alliance in the BFA zones and in their capitals.

Now, the paradigm shift is less people playing overall, and “the hunter is nothing without the hunt”. You can’t PvP without…(wait for it) players.

The faction I primarily mained(the Failliance) screwed me over, and the state of the game screwed me over. I suppose I’d deserve it for the utter Hades I gave the Alliance the last two expansions, but I wanted to give them another chance by PvPing for them. Blizzard is losing their quality edge overall, so I won’t unfairly blame the Alliance community. I can blame them for being lazy, being unmotivated, and being cowardly when I shed good digitized blood at Horde Brewfest and Hallow’s End.

So here’s the real onion: when Classic comes, I really wonder if the Alliance is worthy of a THIRD chance. I smoked a lot of L’s for them, annnnd I don’t quite have a lot to show for it. I wouldn’t fathom having a clearer and cleaner conscience to roll Horde next time around.

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Because there are no horde around in Warmode to kill for AOO.

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That is most unusual. When AOO was first a thing, the Alliance got it every week. Then Blizzard downsized the carrots and it was every other week. And now finally, the Horde are fed up? I guess their patience ran out.

I was the Hordie that, with one exception, kept WM on the entire time. I got by okay with it. My true passion was non-BFA WPvP anyway.

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Pay the goblin no mind.

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mocking British accent Coming back for more? Alright, Oathbreaker, Round 3. It’s time to you to get served again, it looks like.

Percivall doesn’t look at the bigger picture. As long as he’s getting the PvP he wants(and I wouldn’t doubt it), why should he care? If he’s okay, you’re okay. But if you’re not okay, what is it to him?

I main Alliance, so I can’t necessarily speak for the Horde as a whole. I don’t know if it’s because 8.2 didn’t really fix this problem. But the way I see it, let the punishment fit the crime.

Horde got their free 10% all of 8.0, fine. Alliance got AOO exclusively throughout 8.1, fine(the compromise was a nerfing of rewards and every other week). If we want to look at it from a perspective of rewards and incentives, we’re now at the point where each faction got theirs.

In summary, I can’t truly explain the Horde leaving, but I can put money on it that 8.2 was supposed to do something big, and I mean BIG. But there’s something big happening none-the-less…soon.

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Inb4 the goblin brings his alts to defend his position and converse with himself

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Well I’ve never personally turned of wm…so I can’t say if horde opted out during aoo…

With respect to saying turn of warmode, it’s an option one has, instead of complaining about it.

No matter how uneven the odds are against me, I would never be compelled to go online and complain about it.

It’s a game, and I know there will be times when I catch you 1 on 1…

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You’re clearly not an alliance type of player.

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Oh excuse me. snap fingers

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It’s not my thread, but that won’t stop you or whoever else. It’s not even my chosen discussion.

People like you and Percivall do nothing but to instigate. Take this moment now, for instance. This is a discussion about a problem that isn’t yours or his problem, or it’s not yet. You guys are happy with the way the game is, and aren’t happy when others aren’t happy. You may think we don’t deserve to be unhappy about this. But our happiness, or lack thereof, still isn’t your problem or responsibility.

It only begs the question: why do you care? We’re trying to come to some resolution. There’s a LOT of people who aren’t happy about the status quo of Retail. Are you going to pick fights with them too? Remember what I said that they could be a lot meaner than me.

But if you want to pick fights, you found the right person, Dr. Phil. You and Perci, and I, can have our quarrels. I’ll step up to it at least until Classic hits. Why not? I don’t have anything to do in WoW right now that’s too important to carry me away. Hunt noobs in SW? Nah. Farm gold? I probably don’t need to. Get gear? Don’t need it, at least for right now.

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what exactly is the good stuff we’re getting? WQs give a higher ilvl than the AOO horde cried about for so long. a 10% more in rep? gold? whoopie; it’s not a lot to begin with- what’s .10 times 50? yeah, that’s how much more we’re getting…

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Well yeah, that was the compromise, and only because it wasn’t really fair to the Horde.

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Like I said, be careful what you wish for. How do you incentivize people in a MMO at endgame? Loot obviously.

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so steadily being outnumbered 20-1 is?

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No, but that’s different. Those are demographics of the faction communities. It’s not quite fair either that Horde, no matter how much incentives the Alliance gets, still have more PvP-savvy players.

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There’s so much wrong in this entire post that it’s hard not to address some of it. Lately I’ve been skimming over threads in the War Mode forums and have wanted to comment on a few but always found it not worth my time.

Step 1: Blizzard tries to “incentivize” Alliance joining War Mode by giving them extra rewards for being outnumbered in War Mode, even going as far as giving them a weekly quest to kill Horde for gear.

Note: this step is important because this is a short term resolution, which, while it did work for a short amount of time, was bound to fail sooner or later.

Step 2: Back to why this would fail, the solution is to increase Alliance participation. As Roxane said, things started to even out. The solution is to give them extra rewards when they’re outnumbered, but with it balancing out, the rewards were starting to dwindle down to 15% instead of the original 30%. Alot of people, not just Alliance, felt that War Mode isn’t worth it if they’re going to get less rewards.

Well, what do we learn from this? I’ve said it in the beginning, the solution Blizzard came up with was stupid. Giving one faction more incentive for being outnumbered is going to fail at some point as shown today.

Instead of tackling the main problem, which is why so many are going Horde, they try something like this.

I’ve said it before, but what they should do is make it worth wanting to play Alliance, such as buffing some of their racials to be on par with Horde racials.

No nerfing of racials, just buffing up Alliance racials. Instead of incentivizing Alliance to play War Mode, why not incentivize players to play Alliance?

Buff the gnome racial, the dwarf racial, human racial, buff the Draenei’s passive racial, etc.

Just a few examples of what they could do to make the competition between the two factions worth it.

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I had a bounty on my head for 3+ hours last night. I wa running all over Nazjatar killing anyone I could find, which was almost nobody. I finally died to a rare spawn that 1 hit me as I ran past the group fighting him. I was tilted af.

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I agree this should be blizzard’s goal. Don’t get me wrong I love their game’s but lets be honest this suggestion is a great idea…but agian this is blizzard were talking about.

Also i don’t think this is so much a population problem, as it is a sharding problem. In my humble opinion.

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