It’s toxic to implement a viable strategy? I was unaware that turtles were against the rules.
They are frustrating sure, but toxic? reaching a little.
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when horde has 20 minute queues, you have to make use of every bg you get. they dont have the luxury of just saying “gg go next” when they have to wait that long for another game.
It’s only annoying because our side, alliance, doesn’t adapt to it. Horde did the same strategy in every single AV that i was in this AV weekend, sent 10-20 players to kill the stragglers in field of strife and then backcap IBT/TP towers. Alliances answer to that was to put 10 players in each tower, and they still lost it to horde 90% of the time, by the time the bottom 2 towers blew we only had 10 people ready for drek, every game, and horde won because our guys didn’t recap their 2 towers so they had 2 towers down and a headstart. What alliance should have done is skip galv and skip the first 2 towers and ride south and cap and defend the 2 southern towers and relief hut GY and don’t even bother sending boosties and 60% speed mounters keep those to play defense and try to slow horde down and back cap if they can, when the bottom 2 towers blow kill drek. Alliance didn’t adapt well at all, not even close, i think i won 1 out of every 10 games in av i played. Nothing i can do, alliance didn’t want to listen to strategy and got HIGHLY offended when i suggested this so i just gave up bothering trying to explain it to them.
Just started doing bg’s again today (after over a yearlong break) and both sides seem to want the rush strat.
Sometimes I can get my hordie buds to push for a backcap, and if so, its an easy win. Many times folks just pretend they don’t even see it and are happy to lose the race.
I kinda want to see some real defense and pvp tbh. With the 600 resources (thank god!) no side can get forced into an hourlong turtle or w/e.
AV seems to be being played the way it was meant. 
Lolololol
You know who defines toxic as “they don’t play the game the way I want them to?” Kindergarteners. I can’t tell if you were trying to troll or you really are 5 years old, but either way it’s time to grow up, Toys R Us went out of business years ago.
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Hardly. It was meant to be a multi-hour game of attrition, taking down towers and killing elites to slowly weaken the other side.
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Ok, yes I get your point. What i mean is…
AV seems to be being currently played in the TBC-intended way of playing it. You can rush, you can backcap, you can full stall at IWB if you like, hold the line, all that jazz.
But with 600 resources, you can only hold the enemies in the game for so long. I’d guess about an hour at tops.
It is playing similarly to the way it was played in BC, absolutely.
We want the honor baby!!
My horde students learned well; why have you failed me so?
Even before they moved the cave, the horde couldn’t win a base race. This is the only way they can win. Are you suggesting that they should intentionally lose?
Every AV , i jump in the middle to gank 2-3 alliance and backcap all the way to our base , only way we win !
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Sounds like PvP happening in a PvEvP battleground.
Sounds like you’re just mad that your cowardly base race tactic didn’t work. Time to abandon AV again?
Maybe winning is more fun than being efficient. Go be sweaty in retail or something.
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The same reason I voted for Trump,
so i can see forum posts like this and laugh my a$s off
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Horde can’t win in a straight base race, as the alliance get to drek a whole lot faster than horde get to Van. So the answer is to mess with the alliance as much as possible so they can’t just drek or kek.
i legit win 99% of my turtles so no. no i dont think i will stop
The bonus honor is crap, sure.
But turtles get me about 3x the bonus honor in kills. So I get to gain a decent chunk of honor AND kill Alliance. Almost like that’s what I want out of PvP.
And for what it’s worth, the only time I see turtles happen are when the Alliance recall to wipe the race or lean hard into back capping. I’ve yet to see an AV during the prepatch where the plan from the start was to turtle.
So stop turtling if all the alliance are on defense.