How do Pandaren feel about Zandalari Trolls joining the Horde? Zandalari were allies of the Mogu who enslaved the Pandaren. It's hard to believe Horde allied Pandaren would be ok with fighting alongside Zandalari.
Actually, those were Zul's soldiers, who were actively working against Rastakhan and the rest of those left on Zandalar. That's why Zul tries to kill Rastakhan to repeat his experiment with raising an ancient king.
It's the same reason Blood Elves are ok with the Darkspear. They're not Amani. People know the difference between nations.
It's the same reason Blood Elves are ok with the Darkspear. They're not Amani. People know the difference between nations.
I agree with you.
I believe lore justification is that it was a rogue sect of zandalari and not all zandalari.
Also, the horde need the zandalari navy, so could overlook a minor factions grudge against them?? Maybe.
I believe lore justification is that it was a rogue sect of zandalari and not all zandalari.
Also, the horde need the zandalari navy, so could overlook a minor factions grudge against them?? Maybe.
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Still Dose not ease the 3 years I suffer, One day I get back at Zul....then wellI be done with these...things.
nah they pulled out the zul card again.. so they left him bad to make "sense" if this situation happened..
11/03/2018 11:58 PMPosted by TabaquiIt's the same reason Blood Elves are ok with the Darkspear. They're not Amani. People know the difference between nations.
That must be why the Blood Elves blame Stormwind for the actions of Garithos!
OP, your problem is that you expect it to make sense. It really doesn't.
When you arrive in Zandalar and begin questing there Rastakhan tosses out a casual line about how Zul is "messing around with his pet Mogu again," implying the Zandalar nation as a whole were not involved with them, or the events in Pandaria. It was all Zul and his followers.
11/04/2018 12:06 AMPosted by Airc11/03/2018 11:58 PMPosted by TabaquiIt's the same reason Blood Elves are ok with the Darkspear. They're not Amani. People know the difference between nations.
That must be why the Blood Elves blame Stormwind for the actions of Garithos!
OP, your problem is that you expect it to make sense. It really doesn't.
theres a difference.
"the green trolls attacked us. we hate them. blue trolls are ok though, they have helped us"
and then:
"we have pledged ourselves to help the humans eradicate the undead scourge and their top general in this fight treats like a sub species and imprisons us?!?!?".
its easier to blame garithos because he was in charge and made decisions. he also hated the dwarves too but didnt try to imprison them.
Funny Back then Mogu and Zandalri use to be "Buddies buds" back then before Tol'vir kill Lei shin and Zulathra, What happen did they have fall out, One got envy of the other?11/04/2018 12:07 AMPosted by MortexWhen you arrive in Zandalar and begin questing there Rastakhan tosses out a casual line about how Zul is "messing around with his pet Mogu again," implying the Zandalar nation as a whole were not involved with them, or the events in Pandaria. It was all Zul and his followers.
11/04/2018 12:10 AMPosted by Colanasou11/04/2018 12:06 AMPosted by Airc...
That must be why the Blood Elves blame Stormwind for the actions of Garithos!
OP, your problem is that you expect it to make sense. It really doesn't.
theres a difference.
"the green trolls attacked us. we hate them. blue trolls are ok though, they have helped us"
and then:
"we have pledged ourselves to help the humans eradicate the undead scourge and their top general in this fight treats like a sub species and imprisons us?!?!?".
its easier to blame garithos because he was in charge and made decisions. he also hated the dwarves too but didnt try to imprison them.
Not seeing a difference. Surely blood elves aren't too stupid to be able to tell the difference between different kingdoms, right?
The Huojin pandaren are from the Wandering Isle. They only had stories about trolls being boogeymen and what they thought of the Zandalari being mogu allies in ancient times comes down to player characters that went to Pandaria. There's not many NPCs that went off the Isle.
The pandaren as a race are so chill, though. I doubt present time Zandalari would cause that much of an issue if they were cool with Darkspear.
There's also the fact that Tushui and Huojin pandaren have just been hugely ignored since MoP.
The pandaren as a race are so chill, though. I doubt present time Zandalari would cause that much of an issue if they were cool with Darkspear.
There's also the fact that Tushui and Huojin pandaren have just been hugely ignored since MoP.
Cus the pandaran are just really nice forgiving people.
11/04/2018 12:20 AMPosted by ZarakaSurely blood elves aren't too stupid to be able to tell the difference between different kingdoms, right?
The blood elves have no real hate to humans as a whole. Right now, mostly Jaina and Kirin tor. They just spout for the horde cause they are stuck with them now.
11/04/2018 12:20 AMPosted by ZarakaNot seeing a difference. Surely blood elves aren't too stupid to be able to tell the difference between different kingdoms, right?
Garithos was just the catalyst to drive the Blood Elves out of the alliance, not into the Horde. That came when, in BC, the dwarves sent an "ambassador" that turned out to be a saboteur and the Night Elves sent troops to sabotage locations of power that the Blood Elves were using to protect their lands. Both of these races were, and still are, allies of Stormwind, what did Stormwind do during that time? hmm, how about either supported what was being done or made no moves to stop it, or at least none that had any noticeable effect. Some Blood Elves might blame Stormwind for what happened then, not for Garithos.
11/04/2018 12:06 AMPosted by AircOP, your problem is that you expect it to make sense. It really doesn't.
And your problem is you expect other races/factions to be like "group x of y did z, so all of y is guilty of z". The stunts between the Mogu and the Zandalari fall into at least 2 groups:
1) ancient history, some of which the details of might have been lost to time, the elements and disasters.
2) A faction of Zandalari, Zul and his followers, wanting to honor the ancient pact which Rastakhan was against/advised Zul not to do.
The most realistic we could expect of Horde Pandarin reaction wise would be "some of your countrymen attacked my homeland recently, and we have a rocky history with your nation. While I don't hold a grudge, since they were a smaller group or it was so far in the past things might have changed, I won't trust you fully till I see for myself what the rest of you actually are like."
About the same as belf feel for forsaken or trolls for elves.
Plus they don't hold the Zandalari as whole but Zul I'm shocked didn't get punched in the nose as soon as he was seen in the Stormwind prison.11/04/2018 12:56 AMPosted by HamoronCus the pandaran are just really nice forgiving people.
The Huojin Pandaren had their leader almost executed by a genocidal Warchief and have decided to go along with another genocidal Warchief again, despite knowing how it ends.
I'd say they probably either don't hold grudges or don't learn from mistakes.
I'd say they probably either don't hold grudges or don't learn from mistakes.
Pandaren arent blood elves. They wont hate an entire race for a few years because of one guy and his actions.
11/04/2018 12:06 AMPosted by Airc
That must be why the Blood Elves blame Stormwind for the actions of Garithos!
OP, your problem is that you expect it to make sense. It really doesn't.
As shown in Eversong Woods and the Ghostlands, the dwarves and night elves were actively spying on and sabotaging the blood elves while claiming to be on a "diplomatic mission", with NEs even setting up military camps in the Ghostlands. Meanwhile, the Forsaken sent military aid to help the BEs fight off the Scourge in the Ghostlands.
Garithos may have alienated the BEs from the Alliance at the start, but the actions of the dwarves and the NEs sealed it. How convenient that ya'll forget that.
11/04/2018 01:18 AMPosted by MiroslavAs shown in Eversong Woods and the Ghostlands, the dwarves and night elves were actively spying on and sabotaging the blood elves while claiming to be on a "diplomatic mission", with NEs even setting up military camps in the Ghostlands. Meanwhile, the Forsaken sent military aid to help the BEs fight off the Scourge in the Ghostlands.
Yes, I did those quests many times in order to gather the information from them. You'll find out that the Dwarf and Night Elves were merely observing the damage done to the Arcane Sanctum from the Blood Elves own misuse of magic, but instead of heeding their warnings, the Blood Elves have you assassinate the Dwarf in cold blood and frame him for the malfunction to scapegoat it away from the real problem.
But it's cool that the Forsaken sent help, even if it was so that Sylvanas could blackmail the Blood Elves into going to Northrend to serve as fodder against the Scourge, as per the Lor'themar short story: http://media.blizzard.com/wow/lore/pdfdownload/leader-story/lorthemar-theron/lorthemar-theron-enUS.pdf