If it’s a good enough reason to burn down Teldrassil, it’s a good enough reason to be overtly aggressive on the internet.
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I don’t really have anything meaningful to say I suppose, at the end of the day. I guess I can only say that I don’t understand or agree with the meaningless distinction between “it’s not real” and “if it is real, it’s not that intentional”.
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It didn’t happen, but if it did, which it did, it was an accident. Mostly.
Like sands through the hourglass…
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Hostility is the point. Taking someone’s innocuous, well-meaning act and - based on someone’s personal perspective - ascribing active hostility to it is, I feel, a very important distinction to make.
It’s the difference between a thousand tweets telling a developer to kill themselves, and an understanding that someone is at least trying to do better for their audience. Maybe they’re failing, maybe they’re not doing a good enough job. But going with “we KNOW you’re TRYING to be horrible!” feels like a not-very-believable stretch.
To me, at least.
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Except the devs, from Metzen on down, have pretty much admitted this. What do you think all the “It’s easier to write chaotic neutral than lawful good” excuse they trot out is?
Do you honestly believe the crap slung at Alliance players from the developers on stage at an official panel at Blizzcon would be said if they played Alliance? If they didn’t all play Horde?
Metzen was the only person who mained Alliance, period, until Golden joined. They were all Horde.
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Hm.
So if the intent is well meaning but the repeated actions end up negative or hostile, is the distinction still important?
I’m just curious at this point.
If the intent is well meaning but repeated results have only harmed the intended recipient, is it unfair for people to believe that they are being harmed intentionally?
Edit; I suppose this is stretching things and branching off from the main point itself. Nevermind it.
Basically this.
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I tried to find a transcript of that Cannibal Corpse song they played as Blizzcon about Alliance players, but I can’t post it. There’s too much profanity. Not even kidding.
It remains ridiculous to bring this kind of response to a civil conversation. Please maintain civility.
In fact, it is dishonest, for the reasons that have already been listed. You’re staring at numerous evidences of content being built with the Horde in mind and the Alliance getting a vague, unsatisfying win out of it on occasion (such as the Siege of Lordaeron, which Zenrao already pointed out differed wildly than what was hinted at in the cinematic) and suggesting that, because the bias isn’t explicitly claimed by a developer marching up and down the street wearing a “I WILL PERSONALLY END ALL ALLIANCE HAPPINESS” shirt, it doesn’t exist.
Implicit bias exists, as well as explicit. You are discounting the former because it isn’t the latter, hence why I pointed out that you’re asking people not to believe their eyes.
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Dude. I know you mean well and you’re generally a chill guy (I remember this about you even as far back as 2009) but to be honest, responding with “Teens are stupid” really did come across as if the point Zenrao was making was being waved away. I don’t think that was your intent but I could see how it comes across as such.
Yeah, this is absolutely a reasonable risk he would face. Personally, my issue was that he waited so long to speak out. Teldrassil wasn’t enough for him and should have been. One forsaken somehow was.
Yes. This right here.
Lately I keep thinking about that Silverpine quest where the worgen lure her soldiers into a cave, collapse it with explosives, and drive her into a screeching rage of disbelief that her enemies have working, clever brains.
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I hate, hate, hate hate hated that entire storyline. It was the match in the powder keg of my enduring hatred for Malfurion and my desperate wish that Saurfang had hit him in the back of the head with that frigging axe.
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But if Saurfang had killed Malfurion, the Alliance wouldn’t have had a reason to attack the Horde.
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Yeah we’d thank him for the favor.
Or is that not what you meant?
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I would’ve given Saurfang a big ol’ pat on the back if he just went ahead and killed owlman for us.
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Anduin secretly declared war because they knew Sylvanas’ plan all along and the Alliance leaders all let the Horde get to Teldrassil with the hopes they’d kill Malfurion. You guys had one job.
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The Alliance will never forgive the Horde for failing to kill Malfurion.
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This is the real reason why Saurfang went to jail.
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He was actually released so he could redeem himself by taking another shot at it.
The final boss of BfA is Azeroth uniting to beat the heck out of Malfurion.
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Funnily, and sadly perhaps, my Hordes are doing a lot of that. And while they’re not the only ones, it’s hard not to feel like they’re rather outnumbered…at least in game.
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Blizzard, you listening?
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