I have played through BFA… Saurfang started and led the war, regretted it and ultimately sacrificed himself to stop it. It just sounds like the strength of his character was completely compromised by BFA, in fact at pretty much every turn the horde suffered tremendous losses because the plot needed us to.
It just seems like a massive loss for the horde all around, one of our greatest champions they basically took a dump on and plot wise we just consistently lost and all characters just kind of sidelined themselves so the plot could advance.
My question is going into shadowlands… what is the motivation for any horde player now? We play the jerks/bad guys -> we get betrayed… we play the noble savages we get forced through a narrative that betrays that idea. The Devs/story writers left us nothing.
“Oh noes, the plot revolves around what the faction I arbitrarily chose to play is doing, so I’m going to act surprised when most of the important stuff happens with them (while simultaneously conveniently ignoring the attempted genocide that set the whole thing off).”
If you were a big part of the Warchief culture or a Sylvanas fan then it’s taken a turn for the worse.
For me as someone who plays Blood Elf mostly when on Horde, I enjoy the idea of a council as it’s something more aligned with what my heritage has been like - council of leaders that decide on action not a dictatorship which it sometimes felt like under Sylvanas.
We are all forced to be good guys unfort, they did give some choices to the horde in regards to Sylvanas loyalist/traitor decisions but I think blizz is hesitant letting us go all Caesar’s Legion on the denizens of Azeroth.
I’m more irritated they make high res CGI of orcs and trolls and humans wheres meh Tauren smashing totems back I’ll even take Baine and anduin cgi having tea where the !?!
It’s because they tried to do Garrosh 2.0 while continuously telling us Sylvanas wasn’t Garrosh 2.0.
I mean, I guess they were right. She’s Garrosh 0.5. Garrosh at least gave a crap about the Horde and was a little bit more gray. (Key word being a little, I know this is still Orc Hitler we’re talking about.)
Horde just complain constantly while being the dev’s favoured choice to base the story on and also expect to be the “cool, badass guys/girls who are not evil”.
Most Horde players don’t realize they chose the wrong faction.
Garrosh had a compelling narrative though, the entire point of MOP was that resources were limited and the horde faced starvation… most conflicts he led us into were initially because of those resources shortages and more of a necessity. Also the alliance struck out at Camp T which was our motivation for going in… BFA literally had no reason to get the horde playerbase on board.
Thats the kind of gameplay I want to RP… playing a horde first “nationalist” mentality, where not outright cartoon villain “evil for the sake of evil” but more aligned with ensuring the needs and prosperity of the horde above all else… the conept of belonging to a family, not a kingdom or alliance.
The very essence of the noble savage, mercy may be shown only from a position of strength, never beg, back down or forget your honor, the whole “lok tor o’gar” thing.
Heck the conclusion of Garrosh’s storyline where he finally broke down when confronted Thrall “you made me what I am”… that he abandoned him, he sat him in the nest of vipers when he wasnt ready, left him unguarded against the two faced politicians, which ultimately led to him making some really bad choices leading him down a dark path. He was supposed to be guided by his advisers not threatened badgered and ultimately betrayed. He had the best interests of the horde in mind but he was quickly set against by those trying to wrest power from him rather than help him lead.
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