I think the issue is more that its not that the Horde WASN’T punished, it was that the Horde WAS punished … just not by the Alliance. I mean, Saurfang is dead. he died a VERY flawed martyr, but it still remains that HE (an architect of this war) is dead. Sylvie and Nathanos are in the wind … after rendering the Horde AND Forsaken ALSO victims in their personal machinations. Gallywix has been ousted (to some degree) from the Horde, and has ceased to be the Bilgewater’s Trade Prince. That’s all four major architects of this war removed from the Horde.
But again … the Alliance wasn’t allowed to be the one to remove them. I can totally see why that is a bitter pill to swallow. Not enough of a pill that would justify these sort of repeated NE victim spam threads, but still quite the bitter one.
I hope you’re right. Even if it is really against just Sylvie, Nate, and their most avid fanatics … it really is time to dive straight into hell and allow the Worgen AND NEs to show their savage side in the pursuit of them. On the Horde side … Darkspear/Trolls and Forsaken could use a little TLC in a theoretical Death Themed expansion.
Legit or not a lot of people here are pointing out this topic for what it really is. Trolling. Op opens this same subject daily with the same complains and actively reports anyone who offers a good counter argument or disagrees with her.
I already flagged this thing as trolling and i m not answering here again.
Thinking upon this, Saurfang martyred himself specifically so the rest of the Horde wouldn’t be punished. Despite posters around here drumming up the meta-narrative that they’ve lost so many leaders, in the narrative itself both sides of the Horde were able to avoid massive bloodshed. Thunder Bluff was never attacked unjustly. Quel’Thalas was untouched by the war. Both the Forsaken and the Bilgewater will no longer be used as cheap tools by leaders that never cared about them. The Orcs and Darkspear finally have their leaders with their heads properly in the game now.
I do not see having to hunt down Sylvanas and Nathanos as a punishment. And Saurfang’s death he was finally able to get because he finally wasn’t trying to be punished any more.
And the Horde haven’t really done anything to earn forgiveness. And they probably won’t ever have to. Everyone will hunt Sylvanas and Nathanos down, and everyone will forget that the Horde ever followed them willingly. And then the factions will probably unite (or I’m hoping they will at least). But the Horde won’t ever have been punished. Not by the Alliance. Not by Sylvanas. Not by anyone. That’s what Saurfang died for.
As a side gig, I tutor students to prep for the ACT (an entrance exam w/ US colleges). I have one kid in particular who’s made some great gains, but we’re getting to the part of prep where continuing to progress requires long, grinding hours–and staying motivated through that takes some creativity.
You just became part of our regimen. Please keep making these threads. For every one you make, she owes me 15 new math problems drawn from a pool of the most difficult on the test.
Jokes on you it already got flagged and reapproved since it’s not trolling. That aside, I reported you because you kept coming to my threads bashing me in 1-2 sentences that have nothing to do with the topic.
You never even tried to bring any countet arguments
because they aren’t children, and really would it make a difference?
are you sure about that? No reason? I can think of many.
Not happening. the alliance did not win the war. Saurfang died so the war would stop. the alliance is not in a position to make demands. the horde can just as easily snuff them out.
Enjoy your new psychotic Tyrande. she’s all about that revenge.
I don’t think the Horde has been forgiven. I just think the Alliance isn’t in a position to currently resume the conflict, much like the Horde. We’ll see if there’s still an interest in retaliation once both armies are restocked on manpower, assets and wealth. It was a very expensive, very lengthy conflict.
No-one knows if the Horde keeps Darkshore, no-one knows if the Horde keeps the Arathi Highlands. All we know is that the Night Elves are settling in Hyjal, supposedly.
What? That either feels unjustified or a long time coming. But still, Gallywix’s actions this expansion haven’t been any worse than his actions in any prior expansion.
I legitimately do hope psychotic Tyrande is enjoyable. People seemed to like psychotic Jaina, and psychotic Tyrande looks to be better in every way. Or at least two ways. She has narrative consistency on her side, and the power of dark forces that are poorly understood.
Congrats, all 3 things you listed are wrong. I’m not the one false flagging anything here, you are. I only flag insulting comments and comments that keep repeating the same sentences even though they are not true (not based on opinion, but on facts). And that’s also very rarely
It’s also a bitter pill because this is the same pill that the Alliance players had to swallow after MoP. Consider it the flip side of the crappy Horde player experience. Horde players had to do the villain turn again, and have their war chief go Saturday morning cartoon on them. Alliance players had to watch their faction absorb the hits, and then have all the guilt for those acts shoved on to a small group of characters, who, they fear they will never actually get to do anything to.
Yes the Horde gets off without getting punished by the Alliance.
The Alliance gets to play the good guy and doesn’t have to sully its identity and the Horde gets off the hook because ‘it’s all that evil leader’s fault’.
That is how it has worked literally every time this scenario has played out because that is the ‘middle ground’ blizzard always opts for. If it is any consolation many of us didn’t like having to go through it any more than many of the Alliance playerbase likes the outcome.
You might not but what matters is how Horde leaning players see it. The biggest problem is that players tend to assume that their view, based of the faction they favor, is a balanced view for all players but I have found there are very few, if any, players who are completely unbias, and that bias always colors their view of what the other side should feel. This is why we have these long thread over who has had it worse.