Ever since the latest shaman buffs, pvp has become a steep uphill fight for alliance. Shamans are oppressive on the battlefield, their totems block out your screen and their HP is always ridiculous, their summoned wolves have TWO ranged stuns, and their totemic projection makes them the best flag spinners in AB (the only BG that is played). Please make an effort to balance this game. Also make meathook not usable in BGS. My hunter can’t launch frost traps at all because of nerfs caused by PVP outcry, so that’s a small price for them to pay, to make them at least slightly kite-able like they should be.
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what were the shaman buffs?
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Pallies makes this thread less serious.
Pallies have already completely gutted bro. Time to reign in the super massive elephant in the room SHAMANS
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not even hardly.
if you want to talk about a class/spec combo that has been though, look at pure enh shaman 
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but then again your hate and vitriol for all things shaman doesnt allow you to actually see that.
edit to add: btw im not in favor of pally nerfs unless they make the seals and stuff undispellable .
You contradicted your own complaint. The Buffs were to the burn rune spellpower bonus which only applies with flametongue on your weapon. The HP bonus is from way of the earth which requires rockbiter on your weapon. Even though this is SoD you still cannot apply two imbues to your weapon.
You’ve now lost what little credibility you had. Divine Shield is unequivocally the best flag spinning ability in the game.
Why don’t we just make you immune to CC and unable to take damage. Or better yet just have melee die immediately when they get inside your absurdly long range and unlimited slows/snares.
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It’s funny how enh is the worst pvp spec in the game but shaman is the most busted class. But that’s what happens when a BUM like zirene gets to decide. “Enh is very tanky and has sham rage…they should not be able to get healing wave procs from maelstrom wep…Also mental dex should provide 0 healing as well…”
i mean if people had actually listened it would be different.
i and other people were saying directly that other than the grounding /decoy getting 1 attack each , enh shaman have to eat every bit of damage getting to the target.
frost shock drs itself and is only 20 yard range and can be dispelled and keeps us on the 5-6 second cooldown that locks our other shocks behind so we cant slow you and also interrupt you at range or flame shock you.
the heals were the only saving grace as shaman dont have the kit pallies do to make up for it.
their damage now is laughable and very unthreatening to the point of just feeling completely useless.
btw with the heals you had to be on a target building malestrom to even use it.
all in all enh is the worst class/spec combo of them all i would almost wager to say.
if paladin did a total of 100 damage the entire bg from all the nerfs you all would still complain about bubble being 12 sec of immunity and flag spinning… How are we in 2024 and kids are still upset about bubble… even after the nerf…
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what kit does the paladin have shaman does not? bubble?
ya honestly bubble. hell, even horse has alot more to do with it that you would think.
stun can help and so can repentance even.
theres more to the toolkit than that but still.
fact is , pallies can 2 global you once they get within melee range currently and is more to do with it than anything.
enh shaman , even proccing windfury crits, arent able to output the same pressure at all.
just sayin.
Divine steed lasts for 3 seconds and breaks on any cast that i do. So i can’t heal , can’t dispel, can’t do damage or it will break divine steed. Also you have wolves… 60% movement speed over 30 seconds while you can heal do damage or w.e you want… Wearing the shield you can get a boon from your air totem giving you a flat 15% movement speed…
Repentance is 20yd range and if i do damage it breaks. Hoj is only 10yd range with 1 min cd. Your wolves are able to keep up with people on their 100% mount speed and still stun them while you run at them with 60% movement speed over 30 seconds.
Yes an insanely geard ret paladin would be able to 2 shot non geared players this is true. but many classes can do this. Reckoning paladin has always been bursty in era classic.
the reason enh can’t be bursty like ret paladin is because of their available toolkit… they have ranged aoe slow, purge that dispells 2 magic with no cd, a 1 min defensive reducing damage taken by 20% and gives them 75% mana( shamanistic rage), Instant heals, Grounding/decoy totem, and ofcourse the wolves… If enh was able to burst like ret there would be not a single non-op spec of shaman. but enh is still strong as it is. This isn’t even including if they are an orc btw… Also Enh still has more mana than a ret paladin
seems alot of paladins are “insanely geared” (at least the majority which is 51% who are capable of it).
dont bother denying it ive directly tested actively not purging pallies (along with not popping shamanistic rage for the rest of this week till tues) and know very well that most are capable of it .
the aoe ranged slow has to be pushed on people or be in melee range of them. purge ill give you is amazing but its befitting of an offensive hybrid like shaman has always been. 20% reduced damage on a low cooldown is indeed nice but not overwhelming like some make it out to be.
the instant heal is only good when you are 30 points deep into resto with 5 talent points into the talent that buffs it back to pre nerf levels.(which would make it not a pure enh thing anyways).
grounding and decoy can be covered with bubble which does the same exact thing both those abilities do in 1 spell.
wolves ill give ya too cause they are amazing.
enh is not strong at all and is infact one of the weakest specs in the entire landscape of sod and pales in comparision to most other class/spec combos.
You say this but the meme is 90% of paladins don’t know how to play. and most paladins are reckoning or shockadin in pvp
you make it seem like you have no control where you place it. If you have horrible aim then ye sure no bueno. but even if your accuracy is awful you will still land the earthbinding totem and it could even snare them in place… shamans have no problem stayin on target or getting away, a ret paladin would struggle we have no slows. Doesn’t earthbind not have a cooldown?
its not just the 20% damage reduction so many players are complaining about. It’s the fact that it’s on a 1 minute cooldown AND it gives you 75% mana. every paladin defensives has more than 1 negative to them. Shamanistic rage has non. unless you consider a 1 min cd to be a negative
it doesn’t matter you still have instant heals ret does not
you can use grounding and totem many many times within the 5 min cooldown window of bubble…
they are amazing but not clearly OP ok dood
Enh is strong but even if it wasnt the case a shaman still has other dps specs they could play… if you nerf ret what other dps spec will paladin have? So far the only thing im still hearing is BUBBLE BUBBLE BUBBLE
meme or not . the functional boots on the ground people know that most of the pallies running now are fully capable of 2 globaling you (there are macros out now that do it for you).
when the window of time needed on a target is 2 globals , it doesnt really matter now does it?
the simple truth to this is , there are very few times where the mana back actually matter and the scope of what it affects is so low to almost be uneeded in pvp bgs.
the 20% dr is more impactful.
an instant heal that barely heals for anything is hardly worth the time spent pressing it.
the lotto chain heal that sometimes procs though is the only one that is worth a crap.
i havent made the comment that they arent op, in fact if they remove the speed boost ive said for sure that ele would be nearly free kills if they do it.
the pally has shockadin /heals/tank /ect.
i know none of that matters as you do as well.
simply put , for alot of people THE shaman spec is enhance.
its not ele or resto or tank.
its enhance. pure enhance.
they dont want to play a full caster or a healer or a tank. they want to play enhance melee .
for people to want a spec that functions (i dont care if the other specs are op) is just as valid as people who want other specs of their choosing to be functional and fun to play.
for people to try and deny that cause of whatever reason , its stupid and doesnt take into account the desires or feelings of people who just want to play a spec and not be dogwater.
Bro out here losing as enhance and wondering why he sucks.
Imagine a combat rogue trying to PvP.
Or a bm hunter.
This is why they need an IQ filter on forums, so Xtra doesn’t spew out walls of gibberish.
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it shows more of a low iq for people that have to resort to insults than people making solid points.
but you do you boo.
Meme or not. Shamans are far more oppressive than the few paladins that know how to play. You don’t have to know how to play shaman to dominate on them which is the problem. And please show us this magical macro that paladins can use to destroy people with ease
whats this even mean? you can stay on your target easy and you could use it the same way to get away. again if you are getting 2 shot you are not geard… Many classes can kill people in a 1 shot who are undergeared. Look at videos of classic wow pvp 20 years ago and it would be the same. Reckoning paladin has been one shotting sense the begining of WoW
Your joking. The 75% mana back over 15 seconds isnt a big deal? your joking
you. still. have. instant. heals. what does a ret paladin have?
you think the only way a shaman can be good is with the broken speed boost wolves give? you have earthbind which can snare anyone on you. your main problem should be ranged if you were even slightly average as a shaman
I said what dps spec will paladin have if they nerfd ret. Heals/tank/etc is not DPS what even is etc? you makin up paladin specs now? And you want the ret to play shockadin spec instead? the actual broken spec???
NOBODY BISHES ABOUT ENH SPEC. they all complain about ele ele/tank ele/resto
Paladin’s don’t want their only dps spec to be nerfd so they would be force to wear a dress and heal or tank. Shaman has options the paladin does not
Like you do everyday about ret paladin? This is the first time ret has ever been viable in Classic wow and your mad that a few paladins can play it well?
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i dont have the macro but i am aware it exists.
as for your “few” paladins that know how to play , seems like more often than not , the pallies i face are fully capable of doing the 2 global thing if not purged (which ive added for this week i am refusing to purge them) .
it means , the margin for error is extremely thin on being able to stay away from a pally for the time it takes for them to 2 global you.
they dont have to stick on you but for at most 3 seconds before they can kill you .
this is also in bgs that it happens with inflated hp pools and not anything to do with the mess that is wpvp and the 1shot fest that nearly everyone can do.
in a bg like ab? ya it really isnt. most fights are well over and even another fight after that before mana really becomes an issue. and that is mostly premade vs premade with 4 healers on each side.
that are not even worth the button press most of the time.
this is up for debate but ya i would say the largest saving grace in being able to kite someone as an ele shaman is wolves speed boost. using it in combo with decoy/earthbind makes you able to kite with an ease that root rune doesnt give.
no , you dolt. i directly said that you and i both know that it doesnt matter if you want to play a spec that you want to play. if you dont want to play another spec and yours is trash it doesnt matter if other specs are available.
other than the people who want to play the spec and its actual trash to play?
options i said you and i both know dont matter to the people who dont want to play those specs.
like what?
ive defended paladins ability to 2 global with the only caveat being if they make seals and whatnot undispellable which would mean the need to actually balance it being available all the time.
i am not mad at all and actually am fine with it.
you have me wrong.
I swear Neurone has gaslit the entire Alliance into believing that shamans are unkillable gods.