In all fairness Draenei don’t even count as sentient. You may as well look down on them for slaughtering rabbits in a field. Orcs gotta eat too, and the women and child Draenei are less gamy and has less gristle.
This is disturbing, even in satire.
It seem that you haven’t done the Mag’orc race quest line … i invite you to do so.
But they were Orcs to begin with. Their lust for power allowed them to become corrupted, thus showing their true nature.
and those (Thrall and co.) evading that corruption is a sign of “being bad guys”? ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
Draenei are like elks but with shorter torsos and two less legs.
Thrall owes his upbringing to his parents (who were the ones who refused the blood) and in a way to Blackmoore, Taretha, and the other humans in his life. While Blackmoore was evil and cruel, it showed him what he did not want to be come, and Taretha and the other humans he respected and loved allowed him to grow to be… well, human, and not orc-like. Which was one of the things that the orcs criticized of him at first.
Were it not for these people and Thrall in general, the orcs would either have remained in the camps or died out.
SO YOU ADMIT, that not ALL ORC (in this case Horde) are bad.
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Thrall leading the horde further prevented the horde being even more “bad guys”
Same nature of Elves, in general, who also have a lust for power, even greater than that of the orcs.
Why are they not considered bad guys also?
I disagree, Alliance has Humans. I rest my case. Humans are bad.
but does that make every one of us bad? (IRL that is)
No one is saying all of the orcs are bad. Just the majority of the original ones from the original orcish tribes. Now that the blood curse is gone and (most of) the orcs have the experience of the atrocities they committed, they’re a lot more tempered. But the fact of what they did is the main thing - it was extremely evil, and they still do evil things in modern WoW.
Thrall’s actions helped, but the Forsaken were clearly evil from the start and Thrall’s ultimate evil was handing the reins to Garrosh.
Because the majority of them aren’t doing evil things whereas the majority of Orcs (nearly all) at one point were doing far more evil things.
Because the Elves are a part of the Alliance.
Ok the orcs were not that power hungry…
1 orc who was born weak and was abused because of it, succumbed to demonic corruption. That orc then managed to gain the respect of the leader of the shadowmoon clan who were the most spiritual clan. He then used that respect to deceive and trick him into convincing the other clan leaders to attack the Draenei which caused K’ure(naaru who helped Draenei escape and had befriended the shamanistic ancestral spirits of Draenor) to cut off contact with the ancestors and the shamans.
So a culture who had relied on shamans communicating with the ancestors suddenly had that connection severed due to the deception of 1 orc who then taught the orcs warlock magic to replace the shamanistic magic they had lost because the spirits refused to help massacre the Draenei.
So most of the orcs were not power hungry, they just got deceived by there leaders, lost a core part of there culture which lead to the leaders making a pact with the demons.
The first chance they were given to win, they leaped at it and were willing to do increasingly more barbaric and horrifying things to achieve victory and revel in it. A handful of Orcs were disturbed (largely Frostwolves) by this.
So what you’re saying is it’s entirely Gul’dan? None of the others count? Not Kargath, not Blackhand, not any of the orcs who were so eager to murder the draenei? Yes, Gul’dan was one of the ones behind the ongoing corruption of the orcs, but I don’t remember anyone really standing up for the draenei.
Correct, they went against all their traditions and decided to abandon all that their ancestors had done (despite the fact their worship of their ancestors got them into that mess) for power.
So what about WoD? What drove them to do what they did? Why did Grom (if I remember right) talk about conquering?
I’m still mighty curious what people think Arthas’ alternatives were to culling Stratholme, given his understanding of the nature of the plague at the time. Uther and Jaina were shocked and horrified, but suggestions for alternatives were distinctly lacking. If the running idea is simply not to do X rather than doing Y or Z, then what would be the projected consequences of the former?
undead are just scourge who regain sanity
Not quite. Saurfang was part of original horde. And now he’s a good guy ![:confused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/confused.png?v=6" ":confused:")
This is wayyyy to easy. Its like a curve ball that didn’t curve and just hung itself over the middle of the strike zone.
Sooooo, it should be pointed out that the Orcish Horde and Thrall’s Horde are two drastically different things. The Orcish Horde found its end after WCII where Humans started putting the beaten and broken Orcs into concentration camps between the end of WCII and WCIII.
WCIII shows the founding of Thrall’s Horde which is what exists in WoW.