wowhead just posted the epilogues for alliance and horde
please enjoy and give me headpats
edit: i just noticed in the alliance one when anduin says peace will work, genn clenches his fist and walks away. and it reminds me of the arthur meme
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Baine: That legacy must end. The war nearly cost us everything. There is no place for a warchief in a time of peace.
But what about N’zoths forces and the dozens of other hostile groups that aren’t the Alliance? Has there ever been a time of peace? Can we expect the Horde leaders to be lucid at any point in this expansion?
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They’re literally canonizing the “put the war back in Warcraft!!” grognards.
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Taking bets 'ere! Bets 'ere!
You sir!
You ma’am!
And you there!
Step right up and take a bet for who breaks the peace in the coming expansions! Will it be the Horde for three out of three? Or the Alliance to buck the trend!?
Come on now, place your bets 'ere!
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i dunno, with genn and tyrande i think it might be the alliance, but we all know how much blizz loves making the horde the villain
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Woah. It’s like Blizzard is giving the players what they always wanted.
The Horde has been asking Blizzard for a more peaceful Horde. They got their wish by Blizzard removing the position of Warchief.
Alliance has been asking Blizzard for political tension similar to the Alliance of Lordaeron. They got their wish by having Tyrande refuse to sign the peace treaty unless the ink came from Sylvanas’ blood. Genn agrees with her.
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I’m a little surprised they didn’t add Mayla to the Horde one. That makes the Highmountain Tauren the only one without a representative.
I liked — really, really liked — the Alliance one. Finally, all the tension starts to bubble to the surface. Now the Alliance leaders can no longer ignore that there are two significant factions within the Alliance (this has been hinted to for YEARS, ever since Cataclysm).
As a final note, I liked the ending shot to the Alliance cinematic — Anduin stood there, seemingly alone… and then you see Jaina Proudmoore at the end of the table.
Jaina, the first Alliance leader to push (and so hard) for peace between the Horde and Alliance. Jaina, who was betrayed by the very people she fought for. Jaina, who turned that betrayal into rage and hatred… but then she finally confronted all of her past wounds. Jaina, who has finally healed — and what is her next step?
Hmm.
In all, excellent cinematics! Lots of subtle details (such as Genn clenching his hand into a tight fist). Lots of things that’s been foreshadowed for so long finally coming to the light (Tyrande and the Night Elves’ war-like nature, as hinted at ever since Cata). And the building up of new parallels (Anduin and Jaina) — for now.
Also, the final shots for each cinematic tell us a lot.
In the Horde one, all the leaders came forward to make a tight circle.
In the Alliance one, nearly all of the leaders either left or backed away, leaving Anduin alone (except for Jaina).
I know that it’s the popular and hippy thing on the Story Forum to hate on the BFA story, but I for one have enjoyed it.
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Anduin confirmed intentionally creating a crisis and prolonging the war to keep his high king powers, as he knows Tyrande will refuse to sign the treaty.
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I just wanted to say that I appreciate the optimistic analysis of the epilogues.
For some of us, it is genuinely difficult to muster enthusiasm for even intriguing developments at this point. There was a lot of issues with BFA’s main story, but there were also lots of details and pieces handled with sincere care.
We see kernels of potential all around. It is just that they are often left to the wayside or guided to baffling conclusions. It gets disheartening, especially when certain plots feel rushed or disappointing.
All the same, I’m glad to see some internal tension coming to light on the Alliance side of things. Hopefully it develops into something worthwhile and satisfying.
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Peace the Horde did nothing to earn, and we have to go along with it.
The zombie apocalypse that Sylvanas will bring upon us all can’t get here any faster.
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This doesn’t bother me. I’ve been playing (and enjoying) Blizzard’s games ever since the Warcraft 1 days.
This is Blizzard’s MO. They leave dangling threads for years before returning to it.
Heck, the last we saw Alleria and Turaylon was in Warcraft 2 (the expansion)… in 1996. We didn’t see them again until Legion, in 2016. Twenty years.
I am sure this must be very frustrating to people who like having plots and stories tied up quickly. But Blizzard doesn’t operate like movies or TV shows. Rather, they operate like comic books, especially the 70s and 80s era.
That’s why I’m not worried about the “unanswered” plot points. We’ve all seen Blizzard tie up those stories years later — games and expansions later.
Or, maybe, it’s just me. 
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alright i guess.
i kinda liked it, i feel like tyrande is 100 % right here.
but i also kinda liked the end scene with anduin saying “it has to” like, he knows that if it doesn’t work, it could potentially mean the end of everyone.
it is not that he is convinced that the horde will change, he is convinced that if he is wrong, that will only bring ruin to both factions and probably the world.
Yes it is like they know that peace is hard if not impossible, but what is the other way? kill them all? die trying ? bring war to all the nations of the alliance?
i just hope that this plotpoint between those who want peace and those who want war is explored in detail later.
they can’t simply end a genocide with a peacy treaty and vengeance denied.
so i hope that at least this used as a fuel for future conflict.
is the only way to have a storyline about the alliance and not being secondary characters in the horde story.
Lets see how they handle it in shadowlands.
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as long as bastion burns
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It looks like Gazlowe is confirmed as the new goblin leader.
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Lor’themar for Warchief!
Interesting…you have a Horde who has been divided by Sylvannas’ actions standing in a circle in a sign of unity going forward.
Then you have p.o.'d Tyrande throwing her dark moon aura around, Genn as usual saying yeah its not gonna last five minutes, then everyone walks out as Anduin, poor sweet ever hopeful Anduin is left alone, except for Jaina.
Interesting…
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I just hope this finally shuts up those nelves fans, that think they are the only ones not ok with the peace.
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It’s so satisfying — at least to me — to see a story arc began by Blizzard in Cata finally come to fruition. The Horde first experienced its division in Cata (thanks, Garrosh), reached a height in MoP (again: thanks, Garrosh), cooled down a little — but did not heal — in WoD, before briefly uniting in Legion in face of both Vol’jin’s death and the threat of the Burning Legion (but again, this division is still not entirely healed. See: Baine and Sylvanas), before it finally reared its ugly head in BFA.
And the grand irony of it all? Sylvanas was the main catalyst to the Horde finally mending its division — by re-exposing the wound in the first place!
So yeah, I’m satisfied by the conclusion of the long, expansions-spanning Horde Civil War. I’m not entirely sold on the idea of “no warchief” thing, but I’m liking the unison.
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Seeing Genn exhibit frustration is nice, makes it less likely this is about Anduin showing Tyrande the Error of her ways, Baine’s speech is stupid but he’s Baine, so that’s a given.
All in all it’s alright, kinda underwhelming and doesn’t fix the issues with BfA, but I guess for an ending I can dig it. At least there is tension in the alliance, and I hope it leads somewhere.
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/headpats Withpuppys
I’ll admit i’m still confused about what justice could be taken if those horde characters already perished or left.
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