I have a serious question.
Why have all the classes been made into hybrids?
Do healers really need to be doing dps numbers? Do tanks really need to heal as much as healers do? Do dps really need to be able to tank and heal?
When did this happen? Why can’t healers be healers, tanks be damage mitigation machines and dps just do dps?
Why did everybody all of a sudden need to be able to do everything? To the point where healers are considered for their dps as well as their healing and tanks are considered for their self healing. Why can’t the healers just have more hps to make up for “self healing” and not need to do 10k+ dps?
You pick a role and you own that role, ic no reason why we all have to be everything.
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classic character checks out
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Everyone will tell you Classic sucks and they’re much better now, and the past was the past.
I agree with you, but all the people left on these forums for the most part are people who’ve just blindly accepted the changes, good or bad.
Edit:
Hahahaha exactly my point
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You say, on a warrior, in classic, that you can fully invest in the dps tree and be able to tank because you have plate gear on.
The hypocrisy.
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My b posting using a classic character, I wasn’t thinking as far back as classic when I wrote this. It’s never been more prevalent than now that homogenization is affecting what role you can even play. Don’t have to go that far back, think MoP I had a great time healing, and healing is all I did, I was not required to pump out dps to do the most optimal job. It gets progressively worse every expansion. Come shadowlands we may not even have roles if this continues. Everybody will be able to do everything and people will just play what does everything best. (Full DH raid with 80% life steal inc lol)
DPS cannot tank.
They will die instantly to a raid boss slapping them to next week.
Outgearing is not the same thing.
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Totally, I think the erosion and blending of roles has destroyed the game. PvP especially.
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Well that’s the problem. A specific set of classes are the ones that really break the game. A dps demon hunter being able to pull half a city, eyebeam, and have no fear of dying is ridiculous.
Then you have a holy priest who can literally only heal. Their dps is garbage, they’re cloth wearers, and don’t really have crowd control.
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healer has two dps abilities, therefore is dps.
???
i’m convinced by now that classic players have more free time than brain synapses smh
dps are still dps
tanks are still tanks
healers are still healers.
just because classes have more tools and utilites at their disposition to go along with the progressively more complex content of this game, doesn’t make them anything else than their role. A discipline priest isn’t automatically a dps just because they can deal damage apart from healing.
healers have more healing in their kit now than ever, and are required to deal dmg in periods without healing to facilitate dps checks in fights.
stop spreading this bs lol
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Go look at methods recent YouTube video about mythic raiding and healer ranks. Disc and holy paladin were ranked top because they do the most damage, the others were ranked mid or low tier. Btw I’m not a “classic player” I’m just posting on a classic toon. Healers are required to always be doing dps not just in down time, hpal and disc have it as part of their rotation so they are ranked higher. If you stopped trying to insult and tried looking up facts you’d know this.
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MORE TOOLS IN THEIR KITS LMAOOOOOO.
Aside from that blatant inaccuracy, let’s look at what you’re saying. Have you done Arenas anytime recently? Healers ARE DPS. There is no excuse for that. Tanks ARE healers+DPS. It’s insanity. The homogenization has completely ruined PvP.
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Exactly I play disc in arena currently and do 1mil dmg a game which is usually higher than the dps I play with or against in a short match. It’s gotten stupid, and every time I fight a healer who does less than 200k dmg. It’s an easy win
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You haven’t lived till you’ve panic-shifted into bear and realize the boss doesn’t give a single parched fig what form you’re in, you gonna get slapped down and you gonna die. 
Unpopular opinion: tanks need to do more dps. feels like a quarter of what a dps puts out.
It all started with “bring the player not the class” which was definitely a problem, but now the problem is all classes are the same, and a lot of classes have lost their identity due to the elimination of niche situations and specialties, so you basically choose between melee with purple spells, melee with yellow spells, or melee with spinning attacks.
The player base is partly to blame for that as well, since people tend to take the word of the pros as absolute gospel. The second that somebody from Method opens their mouths and says that Warlocks are the second worst caster this patch, good luck getting invited to anything as a Warlock, BeCaUsE MeThOd sAiD sO.
We live in the age of common knowledge meta gaming, and if you aren’t the meta, people don’t want you.
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That’s true when you’re going for something like world first, where you don’t exactly overgear the content and have to meet insane dps checks. For anyone else, simply being able to do dps in downtime is enough.
wow, you got me there, you named the two healers that literally heal through dealing damage. what a surprise that they should be ranked top amongst the healers for their capacity to be efficient at doing both things.
you certainly haven’t, without rating and a worthwhile pvp achievment.
and still missing the point of this whole thread. healer is still expected to heal first, then deal damage later, you don’t prioritize dpsing over healing, ever.
boohoo, i can’t stand around and just heal like i used to. now i actually have to pay attention to a single dot effect and my generic damaging spell, aside from healing aswell
Well, there you have it. The problem is with disc and paladin that just do way too much damage while sacrificing no healing.
A holy priest trying to do that would at most do 50k dmg and provide zero healing to the group.
The problem you have is only real with the awful design around SPECIFIC classes/specs. Another example, Demon hunter.
Unless you’re a casual, like me.
Ash your posting on a toon with no achievements am for anything high end. Talking down to people, and haven’t had a decent point into make in defending why you believe the game is not homogenized. Contribute something to the convo. Why do you believe a tank doing 30-40k healing cannot be taken away and given to the healers who’s job it’s supposed to be to keep him alive?
If tanks and healers can’t do any dps then they won’t be able to accomplish any tasks. Tanks and DPS probably shouldn’t be able to heal, but healers need to be able to do some dps.
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