As a priest player since 2005, I cannot express the lack of class attention we get nowadays. Disc and Holy have the most useless spec talents that are frankly embarrassing. Shadow has been awful to play since BFA. Idols feel lackluster and the entire class tree spec needs a full rework. There should be no reason there are multiple talents to buff your Flash Heal. Give us utility and the ability to purify more than just disease. We are the only class with two heal specs underperforming against everyone else. What is the goal here? Rework the entire class. Give us a battle resurrectionâhow are paladins able to do so, but priests, the ultimate healers, canât? Holy AoE is garbage; Sanctify heals for nothing and is literally at the bottom of healing. The talents are so useless. Make Power Infusion a priest spell buff only and remove Twin Suns. Give us utility and mobility!
Shadow is pretty strong right now actually in PvP. Disc and Holy are performing respectable as well. Disc had to be tuned down because of how ridiculous and nearly impossible it was to kill.
Thereâs more than one aspect to the game, and class balances shifts quite frequently during the expansions - especially with almost weekly adjustments.
Shadow Priest is an extremely popular pick in BGs as of late. Just because you specifically arenât enjoying it, doesnât mean many arenât. Sorry you donât enjoy it, but no development team can please everyone.
I donât see an issue with the class, at least holy and disc. Not every class has to be a utility mobility machine. Could we use some tweaks here and there? Sure. I do think Oracleâs talent is a cool idea, but clunky at the moment. Buffed Halo is super great.
We heal. And you know what? I have no problem healing as holy. I feel like I have the tools to do so, and thatâs what I want out of the class. If I wanted super utility, I would just play another healing class.
I played paladin for years when it was considered the trash of trash classes. Ret was trash, you couldnât tank, and you were brought for healing, cleansing, and buffs only. We are no where near the state of that class and spec.
Stop listening to other people who are doing bleeding edge content who are trying to eke every advantage out beyond the intended gear level. Yes, at those places youâll see certain classes do better than others, and that will never change. For our appropriate gear level range, we do great.
Ignore the the two âthank you sirâs may we have anotherâ posters above. The reality is priests are in an extremely poor spot atm in regards to a lot of content and having buffed numbers to make us viable isnât acceptable anymore.
Needing Evokers to rescue us is not acceptable.
Dispels was suppose to be what Priest was known for, Blizzards words not mine, yet we have the worst dispel portfolio in the game.
Our CC options, especially in M+ are complete trash compared to literally every other class.
No one is asking that we be some hypermobile Evoker/Rogue rip off, hell if you donât want to give us a blink fine at least allow us the ability to ignore displacement so we donât need another class to carry us through basic raid mechanics.
Any class can do anything when youâre running nothing but heroic dungeons and raid finder. That doesnât mean the class is in a good place.
You donât balance around the 1% but you donât balance around the people who clearly arenât interested in doing anything remotely challenging either.
It really heavily depends on what you consider âremotely challengingâ
Just getting +11s done has you solidly in the top 2%. Getting all 12s (something Hpriest has already done)? Thatâs the top 0.2%.
Now Iâm not saying it shouldnât get any changes - Iâm expecting 11.1 will bring some talent changes and everyone will freak out about them quite like what happened in DF.
But really, people have to have some perspective here. The content Holy is gatekept from right now is within the top 0.2% of content. If youâre up there, you ARE that kind of player. I know itâs hard to think that way - Iâm gonna get my 11s done and I think Iâm trash at this game. But the reality is that the stats say otherwise.
If you think the top 1% only affects the top 1% you havenât been around enough.
Perception is reality when it comes to PuGs, youâre going to have a very hard time getting into even low keys compared to playing something like a shaman or prevoker, and honestly, for good reason.
Holy (and disc, and shadow) all lack valuable tools to be âgoodâ picks in that content. With enough gear, and enough time, and the right group around you, any spec is capable of doing most things in the game, but that doesnât mean we are fine.
And we objectively do not do âgreatâ in any content compared to other healers or DPS with the same gear level. Assuming equal gear levels and skill, you will always have an easier time with a resto shaman or a prevoker in your group than a holy priest.
What is not picked in the top 1% quite literally only affects the top 5% at most.
Thereâs a contingent of players that really desperately want to be victims of big bad blizzard balance, but no, it doesnât actually affect them. If you think Hpriest lacks the healing to do your +8, then you are not playing well - Hpriest was doing +10 pugs in 608 gear in the first week. If you think Holy lacks the healing to do a +13, then yes, you might be right that their lack of DR is blowing you up, but yes, you are also the top 0.1% of players.
Healers have the privilege of making their own groups and inviting that way. You do not need to join other peopleâs groups. When youâre a healer and list your own key, youâll get sign ups. Youâre not a Shadow Priest. I do it every expansion on every healer.
Iâm saying people need to have perspective. If weâre complaining about Hpriest being bad in top content, sure, whine all day. But letâs not pretend that the spec is bad in +5s. Players are bad in +5s. The guy has a point from the perspective of someone whoâs just doing mid-tier content and heroic raiding. Holy Priest is more than fine in that type of content. If you play it and want to get good at it and climb to 10s, youâll be able to.
The time that it is unironically painful to play Priest is when youâre shooting for push keys. If that is the goal youâre shooting for, the spec is not good. There are always specs that are very bad at that, and it happens every season. SOMEONE will get the short end of the stick. Holy Priest has it right now. The good news is that Disc priest doesnât, so priest is still a viable pick.
Never said holy lacked the healing to do content, but it is by no means a better choice than just about any other healer. It lacks competitive utility to smooth out runs, and in general is not seen as a good healer.
Youâre ignorant if you think people arenât sitting in 5s-8s skipping over priest that arenât geared to the teeth or have a very high score where they would give other classes more benefit of the doubt. When youâre tuned to be strong, or youâre a class that generally provides a lot of utility, youâre afforded that luxury.
Everybody has the option of making their own groups, and thatâs not always a realistic option. Not everybody is running mid level keys just for funsies. Some people want specific drops, or score, or a level of key for their vault. Youâre key isnât going to always fall into any of those categories.
Guess we should just let people go on about how spectacular our class and specs are because we are âfineâ. Never mind that we have glaring design issues, consistently need numbers tuning that keeps us relevant if not generally overpowered when we are, and have had nearly zero iteration since beta of an expansion nearing itâs first ~mid season content patch.
Weâre fine. Take it from the guy that said âIf i wanted more utility Iâd just play another classâ.
It is only not a ârealisticâ option for DPS (and itâs only unrealistic for them because of time commitment). Gotta be honest Iâm a little tired of people saying this.
If what you want is score, push your key to a new one. If what you want is specific gear, push your rating high enough to sign up to a lower key with the piece you want. If youâve ever played a DPS - heaven forbid an off meta DPS - youâd know that people will do this for literal hours without getting a single key done. You can handle doing one key that wonât benefit you to get another.
If you want to get somewhere FAST with gearing/prog, then do what every single high M+ player suggests and start making friends. Add people who play well. Invite them. Do their keys. You donât HAVE to do this, but then you need to be OK with those goals taking a while. Being a shaman does not magically fix this in +8 keys. The reason these invites donât go out is because if you list an 8 key youâll get a ton of people just farming crests that are WAY overqualified for that dungeon. Thatâs why you get rejected. Not because you the 1500 priest are rejected for the 1500 shaman. Youâre rejected for the 2300 shaman. Make your own key, or push a friendâs key (and reroll yours!) and that issue goes away.
When youâre talking about mid tier content? YEAH. You should. If someoneâs having a blast with the spec at the mid level, more power to them. Itâs alright and good to say hey - priest needs some changes for hardcore content. We lack utility, weâre still missing an interrupt, thereâs been too much pruning and nothing given back over a couple expansions thatâs making us bad at a fundamental level versus other healers in a pug envitonrment and about the only thing we have is Voidweaverâs DR and HPS in dungeon groups. But ALSO the spec is fun and will work for the majority of players, and this is a problem specific to very high dungeon key climbers.
Yeah! Screw anybody that canât play exactly the way I want them to! The class is fine! You donât have time to run your own key up because you only have time for one key and you really need an 8 for crests? Too bad! Youâre balanced!
You havenât seen the key you need for rating or your trinket all week, despite constantly running your key?? Too bad! youâre fine!
You canât run your key because your friend is going to be playing this weekend, and you know he really needs a grim batol and you have it! Sorry buddy, tell your friend to kick rocks because youâre balanced!
A thread was made to comment on the poor state of the class and general lack of changes and communication surrounding it. If somebody is going to come in and try to contradict that by saying âitâs passible and Iâm having funâ who barely pushes out of content that isnât designed to be particularly challenging, or who doesnât play a large portion of the game, Iâm going to have to disagree with their commentary.
All healers need buffs, especially holy priest. There is no reason why an AoE healing spell (Prayer of Healing) should be so bad at AoE healing. At this point why does it even exist? Renew could receive a 100% buff and it would still suck, just why? Iâm not sure why they arenât looking at making non-resto sham healers stronger already, letâs go.
Just lmao at all these clowns simping for blizzards total lack of respect to priests. Not a single word was said to us regarding our class all Alpha/beta (except for the disaster of initial oracle).
We still arent being talked to, months later and a semi major patch in. Our classes are no different than DF and we deserve better as paying customers.
No one cares about 10 percent buffs to void blast. We care about why we need to take two points to make VT do 30 percent damage and get one (1) insanity per tick.
Why do we need to STILL scroll past compendiums of changes to mages, druids, paladins and shamans while we get icon updates?
Nah, this argument is dumb and Iâm tired of seeing so many people humoring it.
You could also level up a holy priest and never place talents and get to max level and try and play through mythic raid with a 0 talent holy priest and say âthatâs how I want to play!! Thatâs MY choice for MY game!! You canât say Iâm playing wrong!! Iâm not gonna play how you want me to!!!â
Itâs silly. This is an MMO. The content is premade groups, you know how the game works socially, you can play it that way. If you donât want to, then be ready for it to be harder and take longer for you, flat out. You have the tools to fix this problem at your fingertips and YOU are choosing not to. That is on you.
The way to fix the invite problem isnât balance anyway - itâs for Blizzard to make a M+ queue like solo shuffle. Balance is never going to be so close that one class isnât slightly too far behind. If itâs not us, itâs monks or pallies or even shamans.
All Iâm disagreeing with is you saying âWe shouldnât balance towards the top 1% - we should balance toward the 1%â in more words in response to someone having fun.
I can admit that part of this is just that these forums have this horrible victim complex where everyone only comes here to say that trivial content is too hard for Priest to do. But Iâm getting tired of people saying âhey I think the class is goodâ and the response immediately being some form of discarding their opinion and talking about high level play and how that effects low levels.
And Iâm tired of seeing people say that we should ignore the multitude of issues our class has because some people are having fun in +5s. Which is effectively what you are defending.
How are you honestly going to defend âIf I wanted to have more utility Iâd just play another classâ as if thatâs a meaningful justification for the state we are in. Some people like being trash, and thatâs okay!
Not sure who said that, you can keep your words out of my mouth, thanks.
âhey, priest kinda sucks, we have serious issues in a bunch of areas and none of them are getting any attention. We are fed up and thereâs no new feedback to give since we arenât getting any attentionâ
âNo priest are fine, I can do the content I want to do, and I donât think we need any of those issues to be addressed because Iâm having funâ â This is what youâre defending.
Our class has had the same consistent issues for half a decade now, we are the only class I can ever remember getting a post as offensive to the players as PW:GFY, weâve had exactly zero communication since the Start of beta, and our entire change log (outside of visual changes) can be sent via a damn twitter post. Itâs not that farfetched that people arenât happy with the state of things.
You come into a thread thatâs very clearly about being unhappy with the state of priest, and get upset because people arenât very receptive to hear somebody tell them that because they can do 7s and they are having fun, the class doesnât need any changes at all and that their opinions (that many people seem to share) are just overblown?
In all seriousness, how are you healing these keys as holy? Can you post your talents and what do you do on heavy AoE damage besides yell at your DPS in discord to use defensives because you have no tools to help? Healing these dungeons feels AWFUL.
You tried Capslockfury, but Mifa isnât listening. Iâve been around since Vanilla as well, so I understand too. Iâm currently healing +8 keys without any difficulty. Iâm just not seeing our class as this broken thing that needs a rework.
that because you are not pushing high content lol. Iâm a mythic raider and pushing 12+ keys. You will see the different once you actually reach a level of challenge. I did +8 first week mate. It is not challenging. You play for world questing. The folks who are actually doing content thatâs challenging know the difference and why the class needs a rework. You have no idea of how many dead talents are in all spec trees and the priest tree. Donât matter if you played since vanilla, So have I, and we ainât in vanila mate lol
They should also keep in mind that making priest better for top1% means they will be better elsewhere, too. I donât see any reason why people are defending priest from having kick, good cc, better talent options (interesting talent options that will make DIFFERENCE or even allow diversity between builds). I donât see any reason why they are defending current state of renew, poh, pom, coh, holy word sanctify. These spells are a joke. They shouldnât even exist at this point. We have halo, flash of light and heal. Are you guys satisfied? Iâm glad youâre having fun. I have fun on hpriest, too. I just know that they can make priest much more fun than right now. It wonât be less fun if I will have better options to control whatâs going on around. Or if I will take talents because they make difference and affect my gameplay instead of taking them because they are less useless than another talents. You guys defend nothing (not the one Iâm replying to).
This is exactly the holy priest experience, contrary to certain people bragging they can complete +10-12 runs with their static groups, as though it means anything.
The holy priest experience in +10s and above has very little to do with the holy priest themselves, itâs all about whether the rest of the group is going to cc, interrupt and pop their defensives at the right time, i.e. whether the group is going to do the job you were supposed to do had you been playing something less of a detriment like resto shaman.
Even as âlowâ as Dawnbreaker +10, a key widely recognised to be one of the top 3 easiest keys, if your dps donât pop defensives for Shadowy Decay on the second boss when your Premonition/Archon Halo/Apotheosis is on cooldown, someone is going to die. Especially when it lines up with the orb burst on the 3rd cast.
That doesnât happen with disc, or resto shaman, they actually can burst heal the group in a myriad of ways, and usually without major cooldowns. Like resto shaman is so easy, as Totemic I donât even need to pop Ascendance to heal, I have so many options - first Shadow Decay I just need Surging Totem and Downpour, then Chain Heal 1-2 times to top people up, for the second I pool up 2 charges of Healing Stream Totem, then slam them down for 2 free Chain Heals, then cast another 1-2 Chain Heals to top people up.
And the kick in the balls of Holy Priest is that everything I have said above is either instant cast, or have a fraction of the cast time of Flash Heal and Heal.