100% Consecration chance on Righteous Judgment is incredibly nice.
Veneration buff is also pretty nice, even if it doesn’t blow my socks off.
However.
What do we think about LotM no longer transferring overheal into your personal absorb shield? Is this going to shake things up in a big way? Is Martyr going to be a viable, powerful playstyle?
LOTM cost 2 talent points and is still a net loss on healing. It also gets you into bad situations. Lastly, damage/healing meters factor in the negative healing.
TLDR: LOTM is still bad……very bad.
I wouldnt make such conclusions yet.
There’s actually a solid chance it’s gonna be playable now because the healing loss its really small now in turn for 2.5 Mill holy shocks.
It’s simple math. If my holy shock is healing for 2600k it means that my original HS was 1926K increased by 35% (674k) from LOTM =2600k. Looks great until you get the 780k healing absorb on yourself. It’s a net loss of 26K healing at the cost of 2 talent points.
My argument to the contrary is, I do so much automatic self-healing that is just constantly converted into overhealing that this may not matter. I, personally, am WAY better at not standing in bad than at least 90% of the people I play with.
Standing in bad has nothing to do with it being a net loss. There is a reason nobody good takes this talent.
It isn’t that easy.
We can only estimate how much its the uptime for x3 stacks on LotM, but according to the calculations made by our wowhead class writer, it’s 1.85% healing loss to only HS, in exchange for hugely increased spot healing.
Remember, a dead dps = 0 dps, that’s why it matters. It you couldn’t get that person in time before that one shot, then it’s gg.
This is being considered by some players that know the class well since yesterday, but we will see how the practice turns out at the end. Either way, the talent won’t be as bad as you think now.
I agree it’s an overall healing loss for 2 talent points as you stated.
And you are still missing the point of why now it has a chance of seeing play.
We will see once they update the class guide next week.
@ Âzryel , I parse in the top 1% and you parse in the bottom 10%. Stop misleading people.
This is not misleading anyone, those statements and calculations come from directly from Clarius, our wowhead class writer. You are stating things that are simply not true (apart from the math behind before next week buffs) and REMAIN to be seen/tested properly.
Ellesmere was top 1 Hpal and yet other top hpals discovered Faith was better than Virtue in m+ before him.
I agree with Clarius’s math that it’s a net loss.
It’s pointless to try and discuss it with net-lossers. 
Everything beyond “muh parse” collapses into noise in their mind.
Well if you are raiding, makes sense if you like to parse high.
But the fact that the talent now can make an interesting choice with a drawback feels cool to me.
If the healing loss now it’s so small its basically negligible, then now it’s a choice between how you gonna deal with the absorb and then you have to take talents for maintenance healing like Veneration which they are also buffing, and truth prevails, or use globals to remove the absorb manually.
Either way, it’s an improvement to the past version and may totally be worth it in M+ since spot healing it’s so important there. It may hurt to sacrifice RI though haha
You should tone it down. Âzryel is pretty active on all holy paladin threads and is on point with most of their opinions.
A 1% healing net healing loss for a 35% increase to our most pressed button is certainly worth it, even in raid when you have COPIOUS amounts of passive healing from yourself and other healers.
Comparing 1% overall healing loss to 35% increase in Holy Shock is misleading.
The increase to HS is 35% but you receive a heal absorb of 40% of the original HS amount. It’s a net loss of 5% on HS.
I mess around with LOTM in 10s. One Judgement or HoW clears a 7m Holy Shocks Crit. Toll and one WoG clears it. IMO the changes are going to make it that much better. And with Veneration, HoW may potentially clear a Toll of HS itself.
With Overflowing Light, 30% of Holy Shock’s overhealing (greatly increased by Martyr) is turned into an absorb shield, and none of that counts towards your personal heal absorb. Over the course of hundreds of Holy Shocks, how does the math work out on that?
Ellesmere thinks so on his latest video.
It’s going to be interesting that’s for sure.
I honestly was more shocked still nothing at all has changed for Tyr’s Deliverance, like honestly if they don’t know what to do with it, fine, just swap it’s position with Relentless Inquisitor.
It bounces between a healing loss and gain, depending on how much overhealing, beacon healing, and stacks you have. Overall, it should still be a net negative but negligible enough that the healing loss is outweighed by having beefier holy shocks.
The biggest issue for the talent was just the fact that overhealing applied the absorb. With that being removed, it’s completely manageable.