https:// imgur .com/a/3ZOhAQD
When are they going to buff us to the point we aren’t discriminated like this when pugging.
I’m 950 IO, 9/10 HC, 210 freaking ILVL but people still prefer a random shaman with lower ilvl and IO.
Been rejected for an hour from many groups 12’s - 13’s just because I was holy priest.
Edit: This one was a 12… yea a 12 in fortified quaking and sanguien, me being 950 io and 210 ilvl.
https:// imgur .com/a/wxnc4ve
Well that’s ridiculous. Honestly, I wonder if it’s because people don’t take dps that have lust and just fill in that need through the healer. Pretty sure anyone can use drums instead.
Class discrimination has been going on ever since I’ve played this game. LOL I remember a pally getting kicked out of a TK raid back in BC because he refused to play holy.
TBH, the server you play on and its sister servers are the most toxic players to PuG with. I was playing my Resto Shaman in a group with them yesterday doing a MIST +9 and they told me to Dispel the Poison more from the bees near the last boss and I had to say that Shamans can only dispel Curses and Magic. They don’t even understand why Resto Shamans are strong ATM and bad players will always look for a crutch to carry them through there mistakes. The also are only looking for Vengeance Demon Hunters to tank also and these tanks stand in mechanics not understanding the reason why VDH are strong is there ability to kite.
During BFA it was Resto Druid: ATM is Resto Shamans. Be glad that you didn’t get into those groups because they are the first to bail when you can’t heal through their mistakes.
True, but in a 15 or 20 person raid, class discrimination is much less since weaknesses can be shored up among more players.
Blizz hasn’t made any serious effort to balance mythic+ despite making it a critical, independent end game. They made a new end game and they’re sticking with design decisions from before that simply out of inertia.
Ppl with high IO are good no matter the realm tbh.
I know, but I whispered every single person that declined me and most of them told me “You’re holy priest sry” or “I need sham/druid”
A very few just discriminated me because of my realm and then other ppl because healers with higher io/ilvl appeared.
Well, I don’t blame them.
Just look at the comp, 1 rogue 1 dh(probably VDH?) 1 shadow priest…who’s gonna bres and lust?
Anyway the purpose of priest healers in anything but bursting week is for PI and PI only. They are not bad, but people in +10-+13 are not that good, they usually blindly follow meta.
ITs not exclusive to holy, im a 1140 io disc and I get rejected pretty frequently too, they all want shamans/druids only.
I wouldn’t have blame them if they told me they need Lust or Brez. But the guy just said nah you’re holy priest, you are gonna die with 1 hit…
Yea sadly this hurts both specs for priests. But holy is the most affected since we do less dmg than disc 
and no DR
But we need some buffs too, pleaseeeee blizzard lol
lol the group was noob, they actually did you a favor to not play with them.
Those guys in the screenshot are just a bunch of douche nuggets so just throw them on your ignore list. You run into them every now and then. I’ve probably put 15-20+ people on my ignore list so far this season. I’ve even had somebody get me kicked out of a group so they could bring their healer friend, but karma was on them because they flopped the key when I checked their history.
I’ve pugged over 100+ dungeons so far this season and haven’t even been asked what spec I am once. People actually just assume you’re Disc and usually comment they didn’t know Holy could pump so much after.
I’ve also been pumping keys since the season started so I’m sitting at over a 1300 IO score now so I get invited about 80% of the time to groups I apply too. After raid today I ran 3 +15/16 keys and I got accepted into each one I applied into. So it’s the IO score that matters more than anything.
One important thing I do is I don’t waste my time applying to groups that are missing key elements that people need. If they’re missing a battle res or heroism people are more than likely going to look for a Resto Druid/Shaman. It’s nothing personal because I’m picky with my own groups and I don’t want to YOLO in a group with no b res. I also don’t want to run keys with groups that have whacky comps which aren’t likely to time the stuff.
I run my own keys as long as its not a dead key I don’t feel like running on a crappy week, but most of the time I’m saving them for guildies.
Now…
The reason why it’s hard for people to pug groups is because there’s so many people applying. I’ve had over 40 people applying to keys I’ve hosted and I see it all the time in groups that I apply too. Usually it’ll be like 5-7 healers and like 30 dps and maybe 1-3 tanks. At that point it comes down to people picking who has the highest IO score, iLvl, and is the class you want, and it takes a good minute to sort through the list. People filter out the minimum iLvl to 210-215 now for anything higher than a +13.
DPS have it worse than everyone else because they generally apply more in volume and certain specs are way more desirable than others. Pretty much I won’t run a key without at least a boomie, fire mage, and a mm hunter/monk.
So, yeah. When I came back in BFA season 4 I had no IO so I just kept applying and applying. Eventually you’ll start getting accepted, completing keys, and moving up on score. You just want to have goals… time all +12s, all +13s, all +14s, and then move on-to +15s. You might have to run your own key as well. There’s only 8 dungeons so it’s easier to play the scores.
1000 is on the low end. You want to shoot for a 1100-1200 to get reliably accepted to most groups (basically all timed +13s). Even now a 1300 won’t be good enough in a couple weeks as people are pushing 16/17/18s more consistently due to better gear.
https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Caithyra
If this is an issue, make your own group. They can’t stop you from making your own group with your own key and you can discriminate on any of classes/specs you deem unworthy.
Yeah sure, but you know it would be great to be able to freely join other keys like other healers can do like paladin or shaman
Sorry hun its not a fair world. If a healer applies and they got 100-200 io score than you and is the same or different class he’s getting invited. Run your own key if you don’t want problems.
I’m ok with that, I’m not okay when people don’t invite you because of spec, not io.
All roles get discriminated though.
Everyone wants only wants a DH tank because you have to kite trash and lots of dps specs are very bad and don’t get invited. Healers are generally all the same except if you need their utility. Two battle res or hero classes are the same as one because they share a cd.
It’s not quite the same for tanks, unless you are a Warrior.
But I think it is a problem when specs get discriminated because of the lack of utility SPECIALLY for healers since we are very few compared to DPS specs.
Yes, but if you look at the data there’s lots of priesties doing keys 10 or higher… holy and disc. Caithyra is in the top 200 healers for io score in north america and they’re a Holy Priest.
You just got to not get beat down and keep trying. Pump IO score, run your own keys, and keep applying to every group you want to get in. Complaining on the forums won’t fix your problems you have ingame.
I’m doing 12’s keys…
Though holy priests, compared to other healers is the spec doing the lowest high keys.
But apart from that community perception of holy priests is bad for a reason (Some are bullsh*t and some are actually true), and that should be adressed by Blizzard, I don’t think it’s bad pointing that out.
This is not a post saying holy priests are garbage, just pointing an issue we are facing and that other healers like Shaman/Hpal/Druid are not. Looking for balance is not bad.
All people see when you apply to a group is your class, iLvl, and io score. People pick io score > iLvl > class. Two people of the same class, but one is 200 io higher and 5 iLvl higher…? Invited. I’ll pick a priest with a 1300 io over a resto druid for 1000 io any day and that’s how people work. I played with a few holy priests already and they trump most of the disc players I been with.
What class you mean doesn’t automatically make you good either. Had a resto shaman who fell over trying to heal a +11 plaguefall.