Guess I thought meta was picked by players because of the numbers.
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Yea, but itās pointless when people make stupid arguments like that to even talk to them because they are clueless or delusional. You canāt reason with unreasonable people.
If youāre looking to be coddled in your frustration thatās fine. But Iām not interested in engaging in that.
Every spec is bad until it isnāt.
Another out of touch pointless post. We are addressing concerns and shortfalls for Holy on the forums and youāre passing everything off. Why even bother posting here?
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My point is that any healer can heal an 11. Any healer is capable of it.
Past that is pushing for personal challenge. That is a small percent of a serious player base that will probably roll whatever is pushing the best numbers in the moment. If you take it seriously enough to push, youāre going to chase the numbers. Swap specs, maybe class.
But when you have people saying they āneedā a resto shaman for a +4, thatās them following whatever they think is best because of what they saw on MDI or whatever. Their perception of whatās best plays a much bigger role.
There is always a best and worst healer. If atm holy is at the bottom, it might be true, until it isnāt. For the majority of the player base, it doesnāt actually matter. They only feel like it does.
Thereās nothing I can say about holy that hasnāt already been beaten to death.
Yes. Holy has problems. But in my opinion, itās pointless to sit and stew over it. And attacking anyone for having a mildly different point of view is wild. Good luck bud. Enjoy your echo chamber.
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Oh I agree with that. I donāt solo pug any keys over an 8 and have only tried/timed one 11 that I ran with a friend. I might try for all 11s but ehhhh, not worried about it. I got my portals so I am happy.
On the 8s I have pugged for crests I have always been pretty quickly invited as holy priest so I cannot complain about that. I imagine it isnāt fun being denied in higher keys though.
Side note, anyone else notice the top hpriest on raider io is 200 higher score than the 2nd place? I cannot see their gear or their build due to china regulations.
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Again for the people in the back. Itās the Priest forums, weāre not stewing, weāre addressing the massive shortfalls of Holy. Hope this helps.
And the āecho chamberā of mine is backed by data and stats. Enjoy not knowing what youāre talking about.
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I have a buddy who is full heroic raid geared on his Havok DH and canāt get into a +5. They are waiting for a āmetaā dps.
Itās just wild to me how much people chain themselves to the perception of strength off a tier list. Itās like the groups that pug raids requiring heroic gear levels for a normal.
It doesnāt mean buffs or reworks arenāt warranted for the underdog specs. But damn, people need to chill.
You seem very intent on disparaging instead of just talking.
Iām going to mute you now because your brand of āholier than thouā (heh, get it?) gate keeping is boring and pointless.
Good luck. Hope they fix holy so you can be a happy little bean.
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Thatās how it feels to me as well in M+. Holy in DF and SL just used their raw single target heals to pass through the healing checks, but with this expansion you have to rotate through cooldowns.
We have so many healing cooldowns now that you need to properly pre-plan where and when youāre using them throughout a 2-3 minute boss fight.
If weāre having a little bit of funā¦ this MDI saw all but one healer represented. Almost 2ā¦ but there was that Dawnbreaker. Was a solid Dawnbreaker, by the way.
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We pretty much have Halo + PI, Halo + hymn, and Halo + apoth. Halo is almost always up when thereās a mechanic to heal through.
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Thank goodness. the less people you āengage withā (read: antagonize with your trolling) the better.
āEcho chamberā is just another buzzword contrarians have latched onto to describe literally any common complaint. Total misuse and loss of meaning. Amazing how self important these kind of people are.
Anyhow, If someone cant even bother to argue reality, screw them. That bad faith crap has no place in any meaningful discussion.
Perception is obviously a part of wht a meta form, but that perception comes from the truth of how classes and specs actually function. āIts possibleā is always a stupid strawman, because no one is saying its not. Its possible to beat a +10 with 5 paladins. But any idiot can tell you that means nothing in regards to practical and reasonable balance.
Its possible to heal high m+ with a holy priest. So what. Its always a better choice to use another healer instead. And anyone with common sense can see why thats not a good thing.
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Itās fun to assign arguments to me that I didnāt make, huh?
Iāve never said holy priest is fine. But yeah, just a troll contrarian.
Thereās nothing I can add to the conversation that hasnāt already been said so I was giving my own perspective.
Itās weird that Iām wrong because Iām not mad in the right way.
Thank you for reminding me why I havenāt been checking the priest forums. The dog piling is insane.
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Yea, he keeps using emotional attacks and buzz terms to minimize my valid arguments while actually offering zero productive input. All while conflating arguments that arenāt related at all in an attempt to prove a point. I have to remind myself that Iām arguing with a Keystone Explorer that JUST killed AOTC on the 14th of this month.
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More gatekeeping bs.
I havenāt spoken out against your arguments at all. Youāre assigning a lot of malice to me baselessly.
I only entered into this convo to speak on your comment that groups donāt take holy priests because of numbers tuning. That was it. I have said nothing regarding your other points.
I didnāt watch the MDI. Which healer was represented the most? Iām assuming disc but I wonāt assume.
Iām doing the opposite of gate keeping. Iām promoting a popular spec that is massively under tuned. You not knowing what youāre talking about doesnāt make me a āgate keeperā, it makes you uninformed.
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I didnāt actually track numbers, but mostly Resto Druid and Discipline Priest.