My guild just did our ST last night. With the changes to the mana generation that ret provides the strength of Holy Paladin is pointless. If the mages, priests, and druids have unlimited mana paladin just gets ran over. At no point was I ever below 50% mana. Almost the entire raid I was above 90% mana. Not even using nightfin soup.
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“I didn’t run out of mana, so I got nerfed!”
Fascinating.
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meant to post this with my sod paladin.
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I think the OP was trying to point out that the gimmick for why Holy Paladins are even viable is essentially destroyed when every other healer has infinite mana and can heal even better, where does that leave Holy Paladins?
However, it’s more fun to strawman the argument and troll I am sure.
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How are you going to say that when you have dozens of classic 2019 threads spouting actual insanities and foaming at the mouth because your private server knowledge was extremely incorrect?
I have never played on a private server? Never have and never will.
I don’t know what “insanities” you are talking about either. The only things I have ever talked about is how you can tank on a prot paladin in Classic Era just fine if you know what you are doing. Which is 100% a factual statement. The only thing I had incorrect was thinking that Redoubt was changed to include Crushing Blows somewhere in Vanilla wow. It wasn’t, I was a wrong and I conceded that.
Start bombing holy lights WoTLK style I guess
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Let’s see from quick preview of the search box on the classic forums we have.
Weapons not scaling with SP
Reckoning
Redoubt
Defense skill
Incorrect statements on hit
Incorrect boss mechanics
I could keep going hearthy boy, but you forgot the most important thing. That your classic 2019 toon and this one are connected via logs. 
You conceded when hundreds of forum posters bodied you, you mean.
So alliance cry about sham rage blizz gives rets mana buff now alliance cry about to much mana imagine being alliance🤷‍♂️
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As much as it may suck, you’re just going to have to live with it for now. Blizz has already stated that they did holy paladins dirty by not giving them many fun or useful runes so they’re weaker compared to other healers.
Additionally, they will rebalance sham rage and martyrdom for phase 4. Their reasoning for not nerfing sham rage immediately was to avoid making horde actually complete the raid without infinite mana so now we all don’t need to worry about mana.
Once the mana regen nerfs come in and holy paladin (hopefully) gets new healing runes then they wont be in a bad state.
Sure bud. Half of those statements you took out of context to strawman my argument. You’re the guy who cherry picks things and lies outright. I thought I had you on ignore, going to have to do it again I guess.
When you can tell the truth, instead of twisting everything to fit your narrative, then we’ll talk. Maybe another 6 months on ignore will teach you to be truthful.
Also, there’s a totally different Hearthman on another server that isn’t me, but yeah idc what you have to say you’re a troll.
I don’t think alliance is crying about the mana balance putting us closer to horde. I think it’s just Kaeldur. 
I have yet to see anyone else complaining about it.
(Kaeldur on my SoD pally)
I’m not complaining that everyone has infinite mana. I’m complaining that since everyone has infinite mana my role as a healer is pointless. Paladins are THE efficient healers. Now everyone has infinite mana and I can’t compete.
Its not a competition.
True, let me rephrase that. I don’t feel like my class is as valuable now.
God damn it, I think the Holy Pally has a case of Ret brain.
Holy paladins have been pretty much the same in SoD as in Era so it’s not surprising the spec is lacking right now. Aggrend is looking at underpowered (or underplayed) specs right now so it’s a good opportunity to leave feedback about holy paladins.
Luckily they said the buffs for SoM are just a stopgap to equalize Alliance and Horde in PvE, rather than nerf Shamanistic Rage I guess. This won’t be the case going forward but is just something we will have to deal with for phase 3.
I mean, I see your point but I don’t think the pally is useless. Even if a priest and druid and pally all had no mana bar;Free to cast, let’s thing about it.
Yes the overall meters the pally gets destroyed which I guess is your point. However if you isolated 2 tanks, the pally will wreck all other healers with pure output on them cause of beacon.
So as difficulty scales and balances in phase 4 I still think a holy pally will always be present to heal the tanks reliably. If you understand this you don’t need to compare yourselves on overall healing. I know it’s hard on the ego but this is the paladin role in healing.
I heal on both priest and pally. It’s just a different mindset.
That is true. Maybe it is the raid that isn’t letting paladins shine. The situation you’ve outlined is really only a thing that happens in part of the 4th boss. I can’t think of another time when 2 tanks are taking lots of damage.
We still got our specialization narrowed down from efficient raid healer/tank healer to tank healer only.
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