[Holy] Lightsmith problems, bugs and needed changes

This sucks and has to be a bug, Holy Prism completely replaces Holy Armament, using Holy Prism activates Holy Armament but Holy Prism can not be used on enemies, doesn’t have two charges, and doesn’t benefit from the Valiance hero talent.

This combined with Holy Armament replacing Divine Toll makes this talent spot in our class tree a dead space.

Side Note: Not a bug, but without Crusader’s Might there are multiple occasions of me just standing there with no buttons to press. This feels awful, and Liberation is just to strong not to take.

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Not a bug, but Blizzard does have the tree set up in a pretty ludicrous way.

Holy Armaments (for Lightsmith hero spec) is meant to replace Divine Toll. So in order to make use of Holy Armaments you have to first spec into Divine Toll in the class tree. There are numerous hero talents that require speccing into other talents with many different classes.

Unfortunately, Holy Paladin, unlike Ret/Prot Paladins, also has the option to replace Divine Toll in the class tree with Holy Prism. So Lightsmith Holy Paladins have the option to replace Divine Toll with EITHER Holy Prism OR Holy Armaments. Since the Lightsmith tree doesn’t really even work without Armaments, it means the only Hpals that will ever make use of Holy Prism are Heralds of the Sun.

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Either…

a) Holy Prism is not meant to replace Holy Armaments (there is no text in game to suggest it should).

b) Holy Prism is meant to replace Holy Armaments but it is meant to have two charges and benefit from Lightsmith talents such as the Valiance talent.

c) Holy Armaments should be replacing Holy Prism the same way it replaces Divine Toll, and there should be text in game to indicate that like it currently does for Divine Toll.

The way these talents currently exist on Live cannot possibly be intended as it goes against Blizzard entire design philosophy.

Holy Prism currently exists as a “trap talent” tricking players into taking it, and if they do take it they massively nerf their chosen Hero Spec and overall Class Spec, and even if someone was willing to accept the massive nerf and use Holy Prism anyway the ability doesn’t even work as it is described on the tooltip, you can’t use it on enemies.

This has to be a bug.

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It’s absolutely this one. Armaments is meant to replace Toll, and Prism is meant to replace Toll (if selected). Ideally, Armaments should just overwrite both Toll OR Prism (shouldn’t matter which one you select)

Prism is an almost strictly superior version of Divine Toll, in terms of numbers, for Herald Hpals. I think it’s more an “oversight” than a bug, but Armaments appears, to me, to clearly be meant to overwrite EITHER ability you choose on the class talent tree.

It’s worth nothing that the Holy Prism/Divine Toll node is only an issue with Lightsmith, a tree that didnt get it’s Rebuke talent changed until just last week, after months of Beta.

Im still of mind that the LS tree is not finsihed.

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I’m pretty sure the talent Ringing of the Heavens (the talent that’s meant to cast Divine Toll when you cast Aura Mastery) does nothing when specced into Lightsmith.

I think the discord bug list said it casts a weapon, but I’m seeing absolutely nothing when I press AM.

I’m starting to believe this is true, the more i play with the Lightsmith talents the more i see major problems that need fixing/changing.

Holy Armaments not replacing Holy Prism, and Ringing of the Heavens not working are two notable issues, but there are other aspects of Lightsmith that goes against Blizzards new class design philosophy in Midnight.

For examples:

  • The “Right of …” abilities that we need to constantly reapply to our weapon. This is the kind of talent Blizzard has been changing to reduce aura/buff tracking. These talents should just be passive buffs.
  • The talent “Blessed Assurance” is a talent i need a Weak Aura to track, a similar talent “Blessing of An’She” in Herald of the Sun talent tree was changed to no longer be a proc so why hasn’t “Blessed Aussurance” been changed? Currently on Live Blessed Assurance doesn’t even highlight Holy Shock.

Lightsmith really needs some love and attention.

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It’s the illusion of choice

I’m not a huge fan of these abilities either, but they became a lot less painful when I started using a macro that auto-casts them on my equipped weapon when clicked, so I don’t have to open my equipment menu and manually select it.

This at least puts the ability in line with like rogue poisons and shaman weapon enchants.