So? Interrupts and totems are brought by all 3 of the shammy specs as well. How dare I include the utility in a class just because the other specs share it. and technically speaking Hpally brings better damage mitigation for its group because it’s the only of the 3 specs with Aura Mastery.
all of holy pallys cd are bought by all 3 specs
shaman has res totems/more base hp for the raid / wind rush totem More healing spot interrupts and cc/ spirit link
holy pally - bop ( which is useless this season anyway everything does magical damage ) sac which kill yourself and is objectively WORSE than spirit link
like i said you are happy being mediocre which is why the class will remain broken 
me? ill just reroll till scaling carries us late xpac
Aura Mastery is not brought by Ret or Prot, and that’s additional AoE Group mitigation.
BoP is BoP, it’s very powerful whenever you can use it. Just because other specs can doesn’t make it any less useful for holy.
Sac- YOU HAVE DEFENSIVE COOLDOWNS AND HEALING TO OFFSET THIS. IF YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF WITH SAC THAT IS A YOU PROBLEM. 30% off the tank is HUGE mitigation. And the damage YOU receive is reduced by 25% not even factoring in the fact that again YOU HAVE DEFENSIVES AND HEALING TO OFFSET IT FURTHER. Just like with BoP the fact other specs use it does not offset the fact at all that it’s powerful.
And yes, ofc Sac is worse then Spirit Link because it’s Single Target. The skill you want to compare it too is Aura Mastery. Which while doesn’t have the life equalizing property, provides more damage mitigation and doesn’t rely on your group stacking to maximize the use of.
Have fun being the FotM at risk of being nerfed to the ground then my friend. All the consensus I’ve seen is that Hpally is stronger then people are giving it credit for and that power will only increase as the expansion progresses.
what ever you say lets agree to disagree
meanwhile ill be over here puggin 15+ while you sit in the decline que unless you push your own key because your class is objectively weaker than mines
Pugging 15+ with a level 50 rogue…you sir are epic. Keep up the good work
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NOW your willfully being stupid
really just why are you willingly being dumb?
actually just looked at your your profile
you are legit bad and lookin at your logs you are also bad so i dont know why i took what you said with a grain of salt
ofcourse your doing well at your level of play because a monkey can do well at your level of play lol
Keep hiding behind an alt
the other guy is hiding too and ur only coming after me so your just mad about what ever at this point
You’re saying your shaman does certain things also while trashing my logs (I’ve raided once on normal with too many healers, though I know I have stuff to work on). The whole time you’re posting on a 50 rogue. I question what you’re actually saying since I have both a 60 paladin and a 60 shaman I’ve healed with as it doesn’t match my experience. I don’t disagree with the other guy and he hasn’t felt the need to call me a monkey.
Stop your “whataboutisms” and post on a main if you actually want to give any credit to what you’re talking about instead of looking like the troll you appear to be.
Ok and i get that but honestly
you are very inexperienced at high level of play you dont know how hard it is to play a pally in a high stress key then compare it to a shaman with equal ilvl and just roll over it
and i get that i was a little mean about your logs and apologize
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I have a shaman and they are 100% the OP healer atm, you’re not going to find me disagreeing with that. HPAL/Disc priest/Resto Druid aren’t THAT far behind though and each offer there own spin on stuff. Also in raids Hpal is the one healing class you can bring a 2nd in and not have any sort of diminishing returns. We are also 2nd in mythic + but can also really struggle with PUGs (hence me missing times on my Mist +4 last night, nobody interrupted anything and I could have probably still carried that with my shaman since I could have interrupted as well)
P.S. I’d still love to see that shaman you’re running +15s with but we can move on from that if you’d prefer
i like to add i was being immature but its very annoying to have a class i want to be good i actually enjoy be gated not only by community but by its own players( paladin is fine cus x and x) then i see the paladin defending the class is fine is not doing any challenging content… like ofcourse the class is fine at low level pvp/keys /normal raids but im trying to challenge myself and facing TWO different gateways of
my class wont improve because of the playerbase and my class being gated because it doesnt do enough
also my shaman name is literally onlyfans i dont want to get it reported and changed cus i actually like it 
Unless you’re a DH tank, Balance Druid, MM Hunter, Fire Mage, or Resto Shaman you’re going to get that.
If its any consolation, I know it doesn’t help right now, we should be out-scaling shaman in the future. As mentioned if you can find a good core of people to run with Mythic+ Paladin is easily right up there with shaman, we just have the struggle bus with PUGs. A simple look at some top healers at io.raider has shown Resto recently going from like 80% of the top 100 mythic +s to less than 50% with Hpal in second place.
Could we use some minor tweaks, imo? Yeah. Do we need a full rework? I’d probably just go back to my shaman if that happened, I’m really enjoying the current playstyle even if I’m not the meta currently
but thats what im saying you need a group of actual great players for paladins to be good but my friends quit cus the gear drought burnt them out im stuck pugging until i find a new group so i rerolled shaman
i know its going to out scale at end of the xpac but i want to play it now
I get you, my guilds main group of Mythic+s get on much earlier than I and already have a dedicated healer so I end up in Pugs at least 75% of the time. I grinded hard in Legion (85-95% parser) and skipped BFA with my shaman and coming back this xpac it still just felt “more of the same” and I needed a change. Also it was kind of demoralizing to come back and not just be able to jump right back to being a high parser, since I was out of practice
Honestly something as simple as giving every healer a similar interrupt to that of a shaman would make PUGs 100% more bearable imo. HPS is not the issue
Keep to your own lane my dude, I’m not the one using it against you.
Rebuke is literally the one thing I wish I had that holy paladin doesn’t have atm, I’m already in the thick of things, lemme help interrupt.
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give us rebuke or remove it from shamans!