lmao imagine unsubing before the season even starts
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It is a core defense against everything. I assure you you’ll still heal quite often. Hold off on the world is falling. You don’t have to be literally immortal to be balanced.
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The problem is what this does to Frost Dk specifically…
UH has necrotic heals to offset this a bit. Frost only has death strike. When Frost uses death strike we take a big hit in damage output. UH has no output consequence for using death strike.
The Blizzard Dev’s really need to understand that UH and Frost are not created equal. Frost dmg output is severely punished for using death strike. I seems like they do stuff like this to nerf UH with no regard for what it does to Frost…
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Some defensive nerfs were warranted, but this is 100% going to be over the top.
Classes being too weak is just as bad as them being too strong.
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Its completely ridiculous they got nerfed this hard and DH was basically untouched.
I wanted to play Frost DK this expansion but I might just quit now, if the balance team has their head up their butt this much already theres no point in playing PVP. Which was the only reason I returned.
Id love to see the clown show give us an ACTUAL explanation, where we get to bring up their stupidity in a back and forth conversation. Its like they want to be worse than New World’s balancing team. What BS.
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This is the type of tuning Ret should’ve gotten before S1 of SL went live. Thank you, Blizzard, for doing this prior to S1 launch in DF.
Seeing DK dps tanking 20 people in an epic BG or being a walking tank in any sort of PvP was making me sick.
The problem is the amount of core, essential defensives they are nerfing all at once. I have 0 faith in the Devs ability to get this one right.
Lets look at Shadowlands. Ret 2 shotting people for 2 straight seasons with no game breaking tuning. Then affi locks got turned up to 12/10 in S4 of Shadowlands with no tuning adjustments… They dont know what theyre doing. Thats the problem. They just nuke or neglect.
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One of the many reasons I stopped playing PvP was the gear system and Paladins just basically being untouchable.
Whos the balance people? Its about time we as a community need to have a DIRECT conversation with these fools.
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Guys are acting like DS is being removed from the game. It’s the first adjustment. There will be more. This is NOT the one and only tuning pass of DF. Relax
I’m a caster hybrid and I can spam regrowth on myself with 2-3 dots on me and watch my health go down. You’ll live.
The game could use less passive healing anyway. (Inb4 “passive” is scrutinized)
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If they added DH and Warlock survival nerfs to this tuning pass we would be more understanding.
DH has been an obvious outlier since pre patch and it barely got aslap on the wrist.
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This. Blizzard seems to be actively doing tuning this time around, so I’d expect some things to get added or maybe reverted.
I did the PvP testing with the blues, which is what they’re basing this tuning off of. DKs were literally immortal gods. I didn’t want to play after a couple matches. It was that miserable. Once conquest comes out and if they didn’t get tuned, DKs were bound to get severely tuned anyway.
I know I play Ret, always have. But it doesn’t mean I accept how Shadowlands played out. I’d have preferred it if they did heavy tuning so classes like Ret didn’t play out like it did in SL. Dks would’ve been doing that in about a week if they weren’t touched because they could live against anything.
I’d prefer it if everything was on an even playing field so every dps class/spec can have fun against each other, instead of there being extremely heavy outliers.
And I’m sure the devs know about DHs at the moment. Hopefully they get some adjustments before S1 starts.
10% hunt nerf plus no more 3-4 demons a minute, which impacts self healing a ton (their biggest source) and means they’re not getting +20% damage all the time.
It’s bigger than you think, lol.
God I hope not. DKs are actually kitable. Feels impossible to kite DH
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If the Devs don’t know about DH’s current state they aren’t playing PvP.
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Are you high? Please go review all of the ret nerfs over the course of the first three seasons of SL. I’m not debating ret remained great, but to act like they went untouched is absurd.
However, I’m not contesting that these swings were far too large on the DK tuning.
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They weren’t gutted like this… Ret remained broken for multiple seasons.
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I don’t disagree with that. But that’s not what you said. You said they went untouched for two seasons which is provably false. Being disingenuous to prove a point undermines some of the fair points you’ve made. It’s best not to do that in the future.
Moving along, no class should be gutted. More frequent, smaller number tuning is necessary to be successful and to ensure that all classes remain competitive.
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Read the bottom of the wowhead post. literally says more tuning is next week.
What’s ur skype