Hi all
so far this season trying Dest or Demo I feel like I’m hitting like a wet noodle in both mythic+ and raid. Just got my 2 piece bonus (637 ilvl), do we hit a power spike at some point maybe with 4 piece? Didn’t enchant my stuff yet because it’s kind low, does it make that big of a difference?
Thoughts appreciated, thanks.
637 is extremely under geared now.
Suggest run t8 bountiful delves for champion gear and prob 2s and 4s for trinkets/champ gear.
at 651 ilvl, still hitting like a wed noodle.
Can confirm being 650ish and I’m doing as much damage as I did last season 30ilvl lower. Single Target especially sucks for some reason
Same. ilvl648 and im the only lock in my raid group. Usually ranking bottom dps feels terrible. Makes me sad.
I think this has to do with the very low proc rate and uptime of our tier set bonus.
I’m now 651 Destro with 4pc and it barely procs 1-2 times per minutes, resulting in very little damage output and very low uptime on our 4pc bonus. I can barely keep a 3M dps on 5 target dummies in both Diabolist and Hellcaller (M+ builds). Stats distribution (crit/haste/mastery/vers) are 30/24/47/1 unbuffed.
My 638 paladin also has 4pc and the winning streak(2pc/4pc) procs very often. I can sustain 4M dps on 5 target dummies as templar no problem. Stats distribution are 21/18/46/1 unbuffed.
Something needs to change or please explain what I’m missing. The damage is not competitive at all.
Thank god, thought it was just me. Im like 651 and only have the 2 pc bonus and sweating my a$$ off to keep up.
My demo buddy is just doing way more. The 30% buffs to imps have them destroying the dps .
He and i are relatively close in gear, ge has 4 pc i dont.
Hes simming for like 1.9m and im at like 1.6-7 m on 3 different builds.
The top demo on WCLogs is like above 2m and the top destro is like 1.8 last i checked.
100k -200k seems lile a pretty big gap.
I really enjoy using the new passive rift build but it still doesnt feel strong enough. Not up often enough and damage not quite where it needs to be. Pa$$ive channel demonfire perk umderperforms as well.
Id love for higher uptime on rifts or just damage increase., love the theme of chaos rift summoning.
Can confirm being 650ish and I’m doing as much damage as I did last season 30ilvl lower. Single Target especially sucks for some reason
As Destro or Demo…?
I’m doing 2.5-3M overall depending on the key. My last 10 Priory I did:
No shot you were doing 3M+ overall in S1 lol.
While i do think Warlocks could get some buffs here or there, i will be saying something a bit contentious.
Don’t get it wrong, as i am not doing this in the sense of logshaming or counting advantage as i also have quite a big space to improving myself.
But looking at some of warcraftlogs of people here i have noticed quite a few points where improvements could be made in Rotation and or Talents.
Here are a few general advices:
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Not only Demonfire Infusion is worse than Channel Demonfire in pure single target (Like, in some logs i am seeing 1% overall gains), but if you are picking it because you rather not have another active button there are some alternatives.
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Not Picking Conflagration of Chaos is something i believe is quite a mistake, this talent is a big damage upgrade towards conflagrate even if you don’t pick Shadowburn (much stronger than Demonfire Infusion).
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1 - I would strongly suggest having Grimoire Felguard as a talent, its a powerfull talent both in single and cleave scenarios.
2 - Given the existence of at least the [2]p i would also suggesting some talents around already, like dropping Pact of Imp Mother and Umbral Blaze in favor of Dread Calling and Flametouched, when you have [4] further go towards dropping Imperator in favor of Dreadbite.
As for Rotational Errors they would make this thread too long bug but while not fully supported .wowanalyzer.com does a decent job at analyzing things like shard overflow, tyrant setups and some cd management (there is a few bugs like not being able to measure soulstrike).
Beside this, the Council of the Black Harvest does have a #log-help channel for review requests.
Ran a few tests to compare my 651 warlock and 638 paladin.
Note: Looking at both specs tier set bonus, I would argue they have similar effects.
4 minutes target dummy (5), both have M+ build from Archon:
Warlock average 3.8M with a 25% tier set proc rate (1 min uptime, 6 procs).
Paladin Average 4.1M with 90.3% tier set proc rate (all level combined).
So rets get a 90.3% uptime on Damage boost and/or free spenders while destro get 25% uptime on damage boost and free half a cast of demon fire (42 demon fire bolt total).
Here is the thing, you are assuming the weight of each proc within each tierset is the same, but it isn’t.
1º The Paladin [2] bonus is 90% uptime, but this [2] is fairly weak (1.5%~ of the overall).
2º This 90% uptime is at “any amount of stack” and each stack is only a 2% damage increase for a few specific spells.
If you look at this log you can see the uptime have moments at different amounts of stacks /www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P4nFmWtqxCwD9BzG?fight=24&type=auras&source=14&ability=1216828
3º the actual meat of the Paladin Tierset, just like the Destro Warlock tierset is on the [4] bonus the free resource proc, and the Paladin [4] bonus have a lower uptime at 10%~.
/www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P4nFmWtqxCwD9BzG?fight=24&type=auras&source=14&ability=1216837
In the end, Destro tierset is simialar to the Paladin one in terms of % overall, the difference is just in how they behave.
Now, if we would compare with Demo tierset, that one wrecks both of those.
Now, i do not disagree that Warlocks should get some buffs, and in part i think they should revert the nerf they did to Destro [2], bringing it back to 12 bolts fired instead of 6.
I haven’t been able to get my 4 piece of the new set yet, hoping for that this week, but I do have 2 set.
In raid, my single target dps as destruction feels ok. Not amazing, but ok. My damage in m+ feels low compared to S1 though. I don’t think it’s gone down any, but considering my ilevel has gone up, my damage hasn’t increased enough to match it unless we are pulling massive packs. I’ve been running hellcaller and the cata + malevolence + aoe combo just doesn’t seem to hit as hard. I know there were changes to wither, unsure if that’s part of the issue.
Part of it may also be that I’ve been playing with a dps warrior and an enhance shaman who burst really hard. Also the tank I’ve been running with is newer and hasn’t been pulling as large in general. But even considering those factors, I feel like I should be doing more in m+
Appreciate everyone for the feedback, good to know I’m not alone. Maybe if we give all the other classes enough lock cookies they’ll be too tired to dps 
Warlock can pump, i think people arent min maxing enough.
You have 9% haste for example. Regardless of your ilvl that alone is killing your dps
Yeah not really, only played demo so far and it’s absolutely pumping. 3.3m in 9 priory against 660 shaman and 655 warrior. My ilvl is 655 and no priory trinket but 675 crafted staff. Every dungeon demo is on top, failed two 10s so havnt had a chance to slam in higher keys yet but demo is consistent every single pack, it’s awesome at the moment
Demos 4 piece is so good in mythics too. Just constant cleave and you can upkeep the dread bite debuff
It’s so good
655 HITTING LIKE A WET NOODLE. THIS IS SOME OF THE WORST GAMEPLAY IVE EVER EXPERIENCED. THEY DONT CARE THOUGH. IVE BEEN PLAYING 20 YEARS AND ITS BEEN LIKE THIS THE ENTIRE TIME
Sorry caps, but all these years whenever we were considered strong we were immediately nerfed. at this point i feel like ive wasted half my life
Not trying to throw shade just looking at the numbers.
Your best parse avg (for your ilvl bracket) in normal raiding is 26%.
So there’s a good amount of room for improvement. Obviously you’d have a different experience if you were parsing at like 80%.
Perhaps the new raid mechanics are just interrupting you more than you realize. Your parses were somewhat better last tier.
The movement is totally killing me this season for whatever reason. I know my haste sucks, but aside from the gear gods giving me what I need and enchanting, not much else I can do about it. Chaos bolts feel like they take forever to cast and aren’t that rewarding anymore.
Yeah not really, only played demo so far and it’s absolutely pumping
This. I can’t speak for Destro, but Demo goes hard in keys with 4pc. I’m not excellent by any means but still did 3.56M in a key yesterday and was always above 3M otherwise, even with tanks who pulled like a blind horse.
If anyone says Demo hits like a wet noodle in keys they really need to re-evaluate their own gameplay.