High OverLord Saurfang loves the horde more than most

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A priest wishes for bloodshed, ah that's funny
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10/29/2018 08:16 PMPosted by Bragosh
A priest wishes for bloodshed, ah that's funny


He cant help it, its the voices in his head...
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10/29/2018 07:24 PMPosted by Bragosh
Yes i fought on but it was to see if i could save our allys that you were happily sparying blight on along with the enemy

*suspicious stare*

You... kept on fighting the Alliance... to see if you could save your allies? Rather than just... trying to save your allies? Or stopping the Forsaken plague-sprayers? Or even leaving the field of battle out of disgust?

I don't believe you. I think you kept on fighting the Alliance because you had no choice but to fight the Alliance, because your Warchief told you to do so. I don't think you actually have any honor, I think it's just lip service you're throwing out here on the forums to make yourself feel better about the things you did on the battlefield.

At least I'm honest about it.
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10/29/2018 08:18 PMPosted by Rêdmoon
10/29/2018 08:16 PMPosted by Bragosh
A priest wishes for bloodshed, ah that's funny


He cant help it, its the voices in his head...


That voice is always telling me I'm more evil than it is... Mhahahaha!!!
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Change my words all you like undead at least I know which of us would honor a mak'gora and whom would shiv his opponent before the fight began. That fight bought me nothing but shame, I fought on yes, not because that crazed elf told me to, but because I care for my brothers and sisters, i tried to find a way to help them, while you just laughed sparying around the blight. Am i 100% good? No ive done things I regret, but I always try to find a way to redeem myself. Most of you undead are nothing more than walking bags of maggots that deserve to be tossed back into a grave, hell awaits you but you have earned that fate, your nothing more than a zombie. Hell id rather go back to panda land than ever fight side by side with you
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Thrall/Saurfang 2020
Strength and Honor
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Honestly while ive loved orcs since warcraft 3, we need to evolve and adapt.

Half the horde doesnt addere to this sucidal sense of honor. . .i dare you to tell me that forsaken, blood elves and goblins belive this auto-destructive honor. Yet we ram it down their throats anyway.

Also orcish honor is iffy at best, to the point that someone who does the things that Garrosh did (and no, im not talking about the bomb) can still claim honor. Someone who follows his leader knowing that he is going to far and someone rebelling againts said leader are both considered honorable.

As long we feel good about the attrocities we're comiting its all good and dandy. Killing civilians? bad honorless business. But driving them away from their homes while their friends and posibly love ones die its just peachy.

Our actions arent only for our own pride, but for also for those who cant defend themselves yet, the young ones. Like it or not we're down to a war of extermination (until magic octopus appears at least) if we lose we either die or end up as slaves.

they will come a time than the whole Horde (im not a fan of this "im more horde than you" race bull!@#$) will have to decide what they stand for, because this whole "whoever is in charge pushes everyone else along" doesnt seem to work regardless is a Forsaken in charge or an Orc.

Also a lot of Saurfang fans seem to want omit with all their hearths (not saying that the op is doing this but i've seen it a lot) that Saurfang agreed with the motives of this war, while disgusted with the action he understood the reasoning behind the burning of Teldrasil.
It doesnt matter if you dont like it that is as much a part of his character as that one phrase he said once and everyone keeps repeating until the end of times.
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10/30/2018 06:48 AMPosted by Federok
Honestly while ive loved orcs since warcraft 3, we need to evolve and adapt.

Half the horde doesnt addere to this sucidal sense of honor. . .i dare you to tell me that forsaken, blood elves and goblins belive this auto-destructive honor. Yet we ram it down their throats anyway.

Also orcish honor is iffy at best, to the point that someone who does the things that Garrosh did (and no, im not talking about the bomb) can still claim honor. Someone who follows his leader knowing that he is going to far and someone rebelling againts said leader are both considered honorable.

As long we feel good about the attrocities we're comiting its all good and dandy. Killing civilians? bad honorless business. But driving them away from their homes while their friends and posibly love ones die its just peachy.

Our actions arent only for our own pride, but for also for those who cant defend themselves yet, the young ones. Like it or not we're down to a war of extermination (until magic octopus appears at least) if we lose we either die or end up as slaves.

they will come a time than the whole Horde (im not a fan of this "im more horde than you" race bull!@#$) will have to decide what they stand for, because this whole "whoever is in charge pushes everyone else along" doesnt seem to work regardless is a Forsaken in charge or an Orc.

Also a lot of Saurfang fans seem to want omit with all their hearths (not saying that the op is doing this but i've seen it a lot) that Saurfang agreed with the motives of this war, while disgusted with the action he understood the reasoning behind the burning of Teldrasil.
It doesnt matter if you dont like it that is as much a part of his character as that one phrase he said once and everyone keeps repeating until the end of times.


Orcs dont need to change, the Horde does. The Horde HAS changed and not for the better. Thrall's Horde was a noble faction, adding forsaken and blood elves changed the soul of the Horde from a Nobel Savage archtype to an edgy Let's kill everyone (I hate Alliance) flavor.
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10/29/2018 07:31 PMPosted by Kathyna
Saurfang is sitting in the Stormwind stockade atm after I gave him a nice beat down, some hero he is huh, maybe you bleeding hearts can come over and try to free the little jailbird

Come get some!

Edit: PS I would have killed him, but the boy king stopped me, and that's just another reason I wanna see the boy king DIE!
I think you need have sit down and Curb Your blood lust

Then again I guess you really did hear whisper and know... go madder then orc on demon blood, Just go pvp to Curb it.
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Saurfang will die one way or another. He'll die as a hero, he'll die as a traitor, or maybe just die alone somewhere, unbeknownst to any but the highest ranking members of the Horde.

Sylvanas views the Horde as an extension of herself now, and she doesn't want to die. This is why she fights and kills, it's not because she's blood thirsty. She knows that all of this talk about honor and peace is not as real as seems, and the only way to achieve prosperity is by fighting for it. That's what Varian knew, and that's what Anduin has learned.

Sylvanas knows that the only way for the Horde to survive is to fight, and she won't let anything get in the way of that. To live and to prosper. No matter what.

This is why Sylvanas must live, and Saurfang must die.
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Sylvanas is willing to do anything to win? Sure ill give you that but so was arthus and look where he ended up, he became the very thing he hated. What of the humans that stayed loyal to him till the end? Nothing but walking corpses with no free will. I will not become a pawn in her new scourge, i am a proud warrior of the horde and clans member of the Warsong, I will not become what I have fought against before
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10/30/2018 05:58 AMPosted by Bragosh
I know which of us would honor a mak'gora and whom would shiv his opponent before the fight began

Then you also know who would be around to fight on, and who would be die waiting for his precious honorable fight. I'm good with that.

10/30/2018 05:58 AMPosted by Bragosh
you just laughed sparying around the blight

Interesting. I've never said that's what I did. Well, you know what they say about assuming things, it makes an as... never mind.
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10/30/2018 08:29 AMPosted by Bragosh
Sylvanas is willing to do anything to win? Sure ill give you that but so was arthus and look where he ended up, he became the very thing he hated. What of the humans that stayed loyal to him till the end? Nothing but walking corpses with no free will. I will not become a pawn in her new scourge, i am a proud warrior of the horde and clans member of the Warsong, I will not become what I have fought against before


Sylvanas respects the autonomy of her followers. She has not raised any ally without consent. She may be a lich, but the Horde is still the Horde.
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10/30/2018 08:53 AMPosted by Juxu


Sylvanas respects the autonomy of her followers. She has not raised any ally without consent. She may be a lich, but the Horde is still the Horde.

She raised the fallen at the battle, orcs taurens and trolls where raised from death, so she has raised allys without consent
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10/30/2018 09:31 AMPosted by Bragosh
10/30/2018 08:53 AMPosted by Juxu


Sylvanas respects the autonomy of her followers. She has not raised any ally without consent. She may be a lich, but the Horde is still the Horde.

She raised the fallen at the battle, orcs taurens and trolls where raised from death, so she has raised allys without consent


I stand corrected. Still, I knew she would eventually. As I said, she'll do whatever it takes to win. The point is, she doesn't just go and do that like the lich king did. Meanwhile, Saurfang and Baine would have left them dead, and then might have even ran out to die themselves. A man who's willing to die is a dead man. Sylvanas rejects death, as do the Forsaken, as does the Horde.
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Then you also know who would be around to fight on, and who would be die waiting for his precious honorable fight. I'm good with that.

Even garrosh had more honor than you, and he was under the control of an oldgod for a long time
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10/30/2018 09:37 AMPosted by Juxu
10/30/2018 09:31 AMPosted by Bragosh
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She raised the fallen at the battle, orcs taurens and trolls where raised from death, so she has raised allys without consent


I stand corrected. Still, I knew she would eventually. As I said, she'll do whatever it takes to win. The point is, she doesn't just go and do that like the lich king did. Meanwhile, Saurfang and Baine would have left them dead, and then might have even ran out to die themselves. A man who's willing to die is a dead man. Sylvanas rejects death, as do the Forsaken, as does the Horde.


She fears death, her soul is damned and she uses the horde to prolong her damned exstance
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I stand corrected. Still, I knew she would eventually. As I said, she'll do whatever it takes to win. The point is, she doesn't just go and do that like the lich king did. Meanwhile, Saurfang and Baine would have left them dead, and then might have even ran out to die themselves. A man who's willing to die is a dead man. Sylvanas rejects death, as do the Forsaken, as does the Horde.


She fears death, her soul is damned and she uses the horde to prolong her damned exstance


You say that like she had a choice in the matter. She never chose this fate---it is the only path she has left. And she knows that the Horde is the only support that she has, the Alliance would have left her to the darkness from the start. She and Nathanos are both keenly aware of that.

The only way they can even survive is to fight like their very souls depend upon it, because they very much do. They no longer have any place within the light, within nature, within anything. All they have left is this life and the Horde. And, again, they will do anything to hold on to that.
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Even garrosh had more honor than you, and he was under the control of an eldergod for a long time

I'm confused... do you think I'm going to take that as an insult? "How dare you accuse me of having no honor!?" or something?

Nah, brah… I think I said earlier, honor is a cheap buzzword to keep people like you from feeling bad about the actions they take when fighting. "I put my foe to an honorable death" - that don't matter none, you still killed him.
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Not an insult just a statment undead, and that is why our two races will never see eye to eye, you toss such morals like honor in the mud while orcs live there entire lives upon those codes and vows we sore, and I know orc honor is different than most other races. I know what i have done, some things I regret but i do not hide behind honor to cover them up, i know what I have done and it has brought me nothing but pain at times, other when i know I fight side by side with my brothers and sisters, in a fight where i know I could die, I am proud to know that i won or lost that battle with my own skills with an axe, not by some foul means