Now hear me out before you go spewing all that hatred I know is gonna show up. Saurfang has been apart of the horde since before the first war. He is a master tactican that has never lost a battle that he led. His name is both feared and honored amongst the alliance population and soldiers. He is a hero to the horde but under slyvanas the corpse queen he was used as nothing but a pawn. He refuses to fight without honor, something so engrained in orc culture that he would rather die before doing anything that would damage his or any warrior serving under him. He loves the horde so much that he refuses to eatch slyvanas drag it though the muck and grim she is currently trying to bury it under. He has lost much for the horde, his wife died before he crossed over and his son died fighting the lich king. He has done everything for the horde for that is all he has left, the horde is the only family he has left and he refuses to see it tear itself apart. "Honor, no matter how dire the situation never forsake it". How dare you run his name though the mud, he has donr more for this horde than any one of you will ever be able to
I have to say, I admire your passion. Have a like.
Sylvanas is a great warchief, change my mind.
10/29/2018 07:26 AMPosted by MomimfotmI have to say, I admire your passion. Have a like.
/salute thank you elf
10/29/2018 07:31 AMPosted by KrenindorSylvanas is a great warchief, change my mind.
You are doomed to an unending undead life in which she uses you for her own ends, plua she has more wq for you to do (I hope not Urgg)
Yup. Saufang *was* all those things. How much fear is he striking in the Alloance soldiers now, though, from his cell in the Stockades?
I also abandon the things I love.
Go Saurfang!
Go Saurfang!
The Old Soldier cinematic did reveal how destructive Saurfang's concept of Honor is as shown by Rekhan aka. Zappyboi. To Saurfang dying in a suicide charge is 'honorable' but to Zappyboi, it means an unnecessary death to a great warrior and a great loss to the Horde.
Something I just noticed.
Saurfang fans define themselves by what they are for (Honor)
Sylvanas fans define themselves but what they hate (Alliance)
Saurfang fans define themselves by what they are for (Honor)
Sylvanas fans define themselves but what they hate (Alliance)
It only takes one disloyal act and another treacherous act to undo that legacy.
10/29/2018 07:53 AMPosted by ToriIt only takes one disloyal act and another treacherous act to undo that legacy.
He was taken pow by the alliance your king willingy joined the legion
Maybe Saurfang should actually tell us what he thinks honor is instead of just repeating the word every few minutes. I think he's more obsessed with the word than the concept.
To bad that he's going to die of old age soon. Rarely any orc sees the age of 80.
he has, every orc hero has. Honor is fearlessness on the battlefield, never turning your back on a foe. But most of all never striking without an honorable way, for example striking a defenseless foe, such as the nelfs in the village he tells you to capture, not to kill10/29/2018 07:55 AMPosted by KreiderMaybe Saurfang should actually tell us what he thinks honor is instead of just repeating the word every few minutes. I think he's more obsessed with the word than the concept.
and yet his name will be remembered longer than any other, even one such as yourself elf10/29/2018 07:57 AMPosted by LunnayaTo bad that he's going to die of old age soon. Rarely any orc sees the age of 80.
10/29/2018 07:55 AMPosted by KreiderMaybe Saurfang should actually tell us what he thinks honor is instead of just repeating the word every few minutes. I think he's more obsessed with the word than the concept.
Honor should be intrinsic. It seems like it isnt much anymore.
Here is my take.
Honor is like sportsmanship. If you are playing a game, any game, do you want to cheat and get an unfair advantage or play by the rules because you know you can win in an even match?
If you were playing basketball against an 8 year old, are you going to slap the ball out of his hands and call him a loser, like if that is an actual accomplishment? Or are you expected to beat an 8 year old.
All of Saurfangs choices are about being strong enough to win without having to break rules. Strong enough to win or lose based on his skill alone, and playing fair is more important than winning. 2 v1 is not fair. Killing an opponent who cant fight back is not a WIN, its cowardice because you are afriad if they ever get up, you cant beat them in a fair fight.
These are just basic concepts. Like kids get taught in youth sports, act like you have won before. Be a good winner/loser. respect your opponent because if for a slight difference, you could be on that team instead of the one you are on.
And as I posted before, look up Christmas truce in WWI. People can fight and kill each other for country, but not hate each other.
10/29/2018 08:02 AMPosted by Rêdmoon10/29/2018 07:55 AMPosted by KreiderMaybe Saurfang should actually tell us what he thinks honor is instead of just repeating the word every few minutes. I think he's more obsessed with the word than the concept.
Honor should be intrinsic. It seems like it isnt much anymore.
Here is my take.
Honor is like sportsmanship. If you are playing a game, any game, do you want to cheat and get an unfair advantage or play by the rules because you know you can win in an even match?
If you were playing basketball against an 8 year old, are you going to slap the ball out of his hands and call him a loser, like if that is an actual accomplishment? Or are you expected to beat an 8 year old.
All of Saurfangs choices are about being strong enough to win without having to break rules. Strong enough to win or lose based on his skill alone, and playing fair is more important than winning. 2 v1 is not fair. Killing an opponent who cant fight back is not a WIN, its cowardice because you are afriad if they ever get up, you cant beat them in a fair fight.
These are just basic concepts. Like kids get taught in youth sports, act like you have won before. Be a good winner/loser. respect your opponent because if for a slight difference, you could be on that team instead of the one you are on.
And as I posted before, look up Christmas truce in WWI. People can fight and kill each other for country, but not hate each other.
/salute thank you tauren, yes this is saurfang, and orcs take on honor. If you cannot defeat a foe in a 1v1 than go train untill you can. Win a war with your skills with an axe not with some weapon does not take any skill to use. Lok'tar ogar, or victory or death. Dying to a strong foe is a honorable death, dying due to your own warchief bombing you with blight is not
10/29/2018 08:02 AMPosted by Rêdmoon10/29/2018 07:55 AMPosted by KreiderMaybe Saurfang should actually tell us what he thinks honor is instead of just repeating the word every few minutes. I think he's more obsessed with the word than the concept.
Honor should be intrinsic. It seems like it isnt much anymore.
Here is my take.
Honor is like sportsmanship. If you are playing a game, any game, do you want to cheat and get an unfair advantage or play by the rules because you know you can win in an even match?
If you were playing basketball against an 8 year old, are you going to slap the ball out of his hands and call him a loser, like if that is an actual accomplishment? Or are you expected to beat an 8 year old.
All of Saurfangs choices are about being strong enough to win without having to break rules. Strong enough to win or lose based on his skill alone, and playing fair is more important than winning. 2 v1 is not fair. Killing an opponent who cant fight back is not a WIN, its cowardice because you are afriad if they ever get up, you cant beat them in a fair fight.
These are just basic concepts. Like kids get taught in youth sports, act like you have won before. Be a good winner/loser. respect your opponent because if for a slight difference, you could be on that team instead of the one you are on.
And as I posted before, look up Christmas truce in WWI. People can fight and kill each other for country, but not hate each other.
You are applying real life human "honor" to fictional races though. Why should the Blood Elves, Trolls or Forsaken have to be bound to a human concept of honor? They have their own moral standards based on their histories and experiences. Honor is fine for Orcs but the rest of the Horde shouldn't have to homogenize into one big Orc Honor blob. Just as other races don't have to be as indifferent towards cruelty as the Forsaken. I also really don't give a !@#$ about honor in a video game. Being bound to it makes the game less fun for me. I'm fine blighting the hell out of the Alliance and burning down their cities. It doesn't make me feel bad or dishonorable because it's not real.
And yet you dont understand, varok is a orc, so therfor he is bound to his ideal of honor, which the horde has run by for years. Also the trolls have honor so I have no idea what you mean by that. Honor for at least 3 of the races is to die for, orcs tauren and trolls all seak honor, in their own ways. Honor to an orc is more inportant than his life. Also its not like he gave up, he fought the allaince leaders and many heros by himself, yes he was beaten but it took many opponents to do so
Saurfang,reminds me of a grandfather figure one you run to for advice ,look up to, who does care for his family ,his tribe.When i seen the Old soldier i seen in his eyes the need to care for the young troll,the tribe, he had purpose he lost fighting himself.
I know he doesn't agree with Sylavanas methods just like lich king did killing for no honor is a unless cause and rising the dead is cheating honor both to her ,as well as,the victim.
Will he seek an honorable death it is up to him when and where.More likely in time.
I know he doesn't agree with Sylavanas methods just like lich king did killing for no honor is a unless cause and rising the dead is cheating honor both to her ,as well as,the victim.
Will he seek an honorable death it is up to him when and where.More likely in time.