"High King" Explained

Going to try to keep this post as simple as possible, to give everyone an easy understanding as to what the “High King” title actually means.

The High King title is a title given to a primary faction leader, when he/she is appointed as Supreme Commander of the Alliance forces.

This is why Varian was a High King, but Terenas was not. Terenas filled the same role as Varian did, as the figurehead, face, center, and speaker of the Alliance. As Lordaeron, and Stormwind were both the centers of the Alliance at their given times, and both of the two respective faction leaders took on the role of speaker.

The difference between Terenas and Varian though, was that Varian was a military commander as well, and an active combatant. Whereas Teneras was more akin to that of a politician. And so, Terenas, and the rest of the Alliance, appointed Lothar, and then later Turalyon, to command in their stead, as Supreme Commanders.

With Varian actively leading the military himself, and with him already being the face of the Alliance, he was appointed as “High King”. Which just means that he is a soverign faction leader within the Alliance, as well is the Supreme Commander of the Alliance’s military. Not that he’s above the other leaders of the Alliance. Just that he’s commanding the war effort.

Anduin tried to take up that role after his father’s passing, as shown by him personally leading the Battle for Lordaeron. So for a time, Anduin filled the shoes. But, possibly due to how badly the Battle for Lordaeron would have gone, without the unexpected aid of Jaina, and Anduin’s own realization of his lack of age and experience, Anduin stepped aside and instead others led the war effort, for the rest of BFA. And Anduin granting Turalyon the title, once again, of Supreme Commander, is Anduin officially stepping down from the position, and handing it over to Turalyon.

However, Turalyon is not a soverign leader of the Alliance, like Anduin is. Even though he is technically the leader of the Lightforged Draenei, he’s a bit different from other faction leaders. As the Lightforged Draenei are more akin to being a military branch of the Draenei, as opposed to their own independent nation.

And so, because Turalyon is not a soverign leader of the Alliance, such as King, he was not granted the “High King” title, and is instead given “High Commander”.

So, in short: You have to be a soverign nation leader of the Alliance, and be given the rank of Supreme Commander of the Alliance Forces to be considered “High King”. This doesn’t put you above the other Kings and Queens, and such within the Alliance. It is just a way to signify that you are the Supreme Commander of the military.

And if you are not a soverign nation leader, and you are granted the rank of Supreme Commander, then you are considered “High Commander”. Which is the exact same as “High King”, except that you personally don’t rule a nation, like a “High King” would, such as Varian and his nation of Stormwind.

On a side note: Previously Turalyon’s rank was called “High General”. It basically means the same thing as it does now. It was just going by a different name, as far as I understand.

Though it is possible this was specifically written to signify that he was commanding the army, since Daelin Proudmoore was commanding the Alliance’s navy. But by the point Turalyon had taken over, the second war was already closing. And even then, I don’t think he was officially granted “High General” until after the defeat of Warchief Orgrim Doomhammer.

In any case, he’s basically in the same role as he was before. Except maybe now he also might be giving direct orders to the navy as well, instead of indirectly/them acting on their own accord.

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Are you certain? I do not see mention of Anduin giving over his command. He is designating and delegating, not handing over his power.

High King Anduin is still a thing. He did not hand over his position with a different name, and he did not elevate Turalyon to equal command of the Alliance. Turalyon still serves at the command of the High King.

Anduin can presumably name and fire High Commanders as High King, but we have not seen High Commanders name High Kings. To say they are equal is a stretch.

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The High Commander will always serve the leaders of the Alliance. That’s his job. He’s not above Anduin, Tyrande, Genn, etc. Not even equal. But he is the one commanding the military now. Which is what Varian was doing. And what Anduin tried to do, until stepping aside.

I see a disconnect in your explanation.

Anduin is still High King. He did not step aside.

It would seem the High Commander is appointed by the High King and can be removed by the High King, and the other leaders have little if nothing to do with the choice. And the High Commander serves at the appointment and direction of the High King.

Genn was there in the excerpt. Anduin did not ask him about appointing a High Commander.

It seems to me the High Commander is a rank bestowed by the High King to follow the orders of the High King. No where is there mention that Anduin relinquished the title of High King.

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Anduin is not High King of the Alliance. He might have been, going into BFA. But he has stepped down. There’s a reason you don’t see him leading the Alliance’s war effort.

And the only thing a High King is, is a ruler of one of the Alliance nations, who has been granted Supreme Commander of the Alliance’s military. Nothing more. It doesn’t put them above anyone else, and does not grant them power over any of the other leaders.

Think of it this way: They needed a way to signify which ruler was the Supreme Commander, without it actually sounding like a downgrade in rank. As Commander is absolutely a down rank from King. Don’t take the term “High King” by ear. It doesn’t mean what it sounds like.

Its like, right after his name. And no where is there mention that he stepped down, or no longer carries that title.

In the excerpt, they still call him “my king”.

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I knew you were going to post that. So, I will counter that post with a much more recent post. Since that was written before BFA began, and this one was written after BFA had long since been underway.

Compared to Varian’s:

Varian’s specifically says he is High King of the Alliance. Whereas Anduin’s clearly states he is just the King of Stormwind.

Your response is the web page of another video game that Blizzard has basically shelved… and even there it says:

After his father, Varian, fell to the Burning Legion, Anduin took up the crown as High King of the Alliance.

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Mhm. That is true. He did take on the title of High King, after his father died. That doesn’t mean he kept it. As clearly shown by him being referred to as “King of Stormwind”.

Unless Blizzard says otherwise, he did.

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Of course. But so far that hasn’t been the case. In fact, all evidence to the contrary.

There is no evidence to the contrary. No evidence to support your claim. No where has it been stated that he relinquished the title, or that he is no longer High King. That is your supposition based on… nothing.

Meanwhile, your link to a different, dead video game even mentions he is High King, as does the website for World of Warcraft, which is the lore we are discussing. And he is still referred to as “my king” by leaders of Allied nations in the recent excerpt.

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Ehh Anduin Lothar was the leader of the Alliance, above others including Terenas.

When Anduin learnt Terenas contacted the high elves without informing him, Lothar was furious and berated Terenas, with Terenas conceding he should not have done it without Anduin’s approval. Anduin also had the final say in where the Alliance would deploy, overriding the demands from other kings such as Thoras and Genn.

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Lothar was loyal to Stormwind first, the Alliance second. And was the active Supreme Commander. If the other leaders had any huge issues with his direct orders, they could’ve just as easily pulled their troops from the army they allowed him.

That’s Genn and Velen. They choose to be more of his advisors, rather than his equal.

And HotS is still Blizzard content. And Anduin’s HotS page is quite newer than his WoW page.

Furthermore, I don’t even think people refer to Anduin as High King throughout like all of BFA, lol. And we do see him a few times.

Actually, looking it up, when Kul Tiras officially rejoins the Alliance, and Anduin is present for it, they specifically call him “King” not “High King”.

There is actually no recent evidence of Anduin being “High King” at all any more.

But just the HotS page, how people refer to Anduin in game, and his promoting Turalyon, all is good evidence that he’s not “High King”. Especially so when you acknowledge that High King is just a fancy way of saying “Soverign nation leader of the Alliance, who has been given supreme command of the Alliance’s combined military”.

None of that is evidence, that’s not how evidence works. None of that proves what you are claiming, you are only inferring it from that.

If HotS, for example, called him the former High King, then that’d be evidence. Not mentioning it doesn’t mean it’s no longer true.

What those points are, are called Speculations, and are not evidence. And I am being literal here, Speculations are an legal term for making judgements based off of inferring rather than direct evidence.

Yeah. If they didn’t want to follow Lothar’s orders, they could’ve just left. I don’t see how that doesn’t make Lothar the over all leader of the Alliance.

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