turbo fists is our offense and defense, and should be used as much as possible. high haste gives you more casts of it. if they stun/cc you on one, you still have more rolling. each cast will hit less hard, but you are more resistant to disrupts.
WW gets almost no value from haste and have an inherently short GCD baked into the class.
Their auto attack damage is almost non-existant and they don’t benefit from any kinda of auto attack procs (i.e. demon blades, wound poison, rage generation, or the quicker GCD which is generally the biggest appeal to haste levels).
Blackout kick is also constantly reducing FoF CD anyway and WW just gets way way way too much value from mastery and versatililty to ever check that out for haste so that you could FoF maybe one more time over the course of a 3 minute game.
This isn’t taking in to consideration WW’s not playing serenity get haste capped from xuen passively on their CD’s and alpha tiger up time is pretty insane against a lot of comps even in 2s with totems pets etc.
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you want vers mastery over haste, the only haste you get is if you use alpha tiger or invoker delight
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Im a firm believer in not listening to what anyone else has to say when it comes to these kinds of talks. I agree with you, having a high haste would allow us to get off way more RSK and FOF, which both are very vital to us depending what build you’re using. Haste helps us more than what anyone else realizes. more haste means more black out kicks, more blackout kicks means faster RSK’s (our hardest hitting ability) and more blackout kicks means more FOF which can be used to negate alot of things defensively. Combine that haste with the serenity + Xuens treasure and somebody getting knocked the F out real quick like lol. And yea people are gona get on here and say (but you have alpha tiger) or (haste does nothing for you), or (all you need is Invokers delight). Yea all that is true but combining those with haste does make ur attack speed faster and it helps you regen energy faster allowing you to get off more attacks. Try things out dont just listen to people here on the forums because sometimes the forums can misinform you. Also keep in mind builds are constantly changing, people are always trying out new things thats why builds are always changing.
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this is definitely not the move
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do you even play monk bro lol
not anymore no, so I trust high exp well renowned players opinions on the spec not some random dude in pikaboo’s guild
on a more serious note, i guarantee you that the best monks in the game spent time theorycrafting and experimenting, and the build that they are all running right now (high mast, high vers), is the best possible iteration
if you are just looking to have fun and mess around sure, try a haste build, do what makes you happy, play your spec the way you want
do you ? negative win rate at 1400 dont think you should be giving any input on monk. haste is mathematically a bad stat compared to others. it has little to no compound scaling and is only effective in mass quantities as its value is amplified by mastery and vers since they just add flat % dmg
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yea you’re absolutely right, the best monks are always theorycrafting and experimenting, thats what i told him to do. Who said i was giving you my opinion, I dont recall replying with my opinion on your response, but im glad you trust opinions from high exp players, good for you, thats a good idea.
there is no point in him trying to theorycrafting with no knowledge of the class. the theorycrafting and math have already been done…
well i was 100 points away from 1800 before my rating was tanked and no 1800 means nothing but id still say yea “try it out, see how it works”
so if im understanding you correctly, you’re telling this guy not to try something out to see if it works for him.
Don’t forget that your fist of fury channel also gets shorter with haste, meaning your 100% parry duration could only be 1-2 seconds instead of 3-4 seconds which hurts you defensively.
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it doesnt work thats the whole point. its been tried and tested by the top monk players and mathematical equations. what part of this is hard for you to understand ?
wheres your proof of this bro. I havent seen a monk test and disprove this. Is there a youtube video or twitch stream with a monk showing this?
Not necessarily, It could work the same way blade dance use to work and with alot of haste you could get FOF back pretty quick and if you’re using Xuens Treasure you could potentially have some serious pressure output.
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I’ve always liked haste builds as mistweaver.
Windwalker though? I’m not sure…
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Agility (7.57) > Versatility (6.07) > Mastery (4.57) >= Crit (4.3) > Haste (1.57) are the current ww stat weights. the cooldown reduction isnt significant enough to outweigh the flat damage increase of vers or mastery
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Well then allow me to enlighten you.
Windwalker gets no value whatsoever from haste because auto attacks do no damage, and proc nothing (wound poison, demon blades, rage, etc). Faster auto attack accomplish nothing at all for Windwalker.
A large part of why most classes want haste is to bring the GCD timer down. Windwalker has a inherently shorter GCD baked in to the design of the class which basically eliminates the reason for having any haste at all.
They have a passive bloodlust built in to their biggest cooldown and WW’s that are actually good at the game can keep alpha tiger up close to 75-90% of games against most teams in 3s.
You also clearly don’t understand how their versatility and mastery scale with each other. They get more value offensive value from versa than pretty much every class in the game because of how it interacts with their mastery. So not only is haste a dead stat, but mastery and versatility are actually better for WW than pretty much any other class in the game.
Lastly your theory of “more haste = more fists of fury” is a weird one because you’d need like 20% to see maybe 1 more fists of fury channel over hte course of a 3 minute game. So you’re sacrificing 20% mastery for 20% of a dead stat that ultimately is giving you ONE more FoF channel every 3 minutes.
I promise you that one fists of fury isn’t going to A.) Keep you alive if you were otherwise going to die or B.) Win you the game that you weren’t going to win regardless. So you can see how haste ultimately accomplishes nothing other than starving you of a stat that scales way better with your versa.
If you don’t believe me take it from the dozens of high theory crafters and worlds best monks that have already done the trigonometry on all of this stuff. No reason to try to reinvite the wheel when the work has already been done. Haste is objectively WWs worst stat in all content.
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