Vulpera brought a shiny new race to the Horde, and earthen were an old NPC race that was fleshed out in TWW and given insight into their culture, dwellings, and leadership across two zones, as opposed to bringing 80-90% of an existing Horde race to the Alliance and calling it a day.
I’m not talking about contributing to the factions in-universe, I’m talking about what these races provided to the game that wasn’t already there, but in the case of the former, then high elves still haven’t done as much as what some people think.
Even as someone who finds the Helfers obnoxious and wants them to receive nothing, this is absolutely a glaring issues of Blizzard’s making. Core, playable Alliance races are starving for content and relevance and yet they keep finding excuses to drag High Elves around and stuffing them in the narrative as if they’re at parity with Belves.
I’m still holding out that they’ll just (mostly) formally reintegrate into the sin’dorei so the “give us Thalassian elves a third time!” nonsense can finally be taken out behind the shed.
Aw, look who has resigned themselves to sniping from the sidelines once their dishonest line of attack was blown apart for good! But I know that “making circles with words” is super scary to people who are illiterate. It must seem like magic!
You basically have no basis for saying this. Considering that we continue to see High Elves in game post-MoP, up to and including TWW, this really comes across as wishcasting.
Not really, it’s a totally separate issue from the High Elves. To the degree that High Elves have appeared in WoW they’ve been a force against this direction.
Regardless, citing WC3 as the “nice, good guy faction” is laughable because that’s the one game that broke the mold hard. Daelin Proudmoore was not a “nice good guy,” nor was Grand Marshal Garithos (and it’s a bit odd you’ve ignored him considering this is a High Elf discussion). We’ve actually seen attempts by earlier writers to project Warcraft III’s Alliance backwards, which was probably best done in Aaron Rosenberg’s “Beyond the Dark Portal.”
doesn’t the lore even say that MOST of the elven population that came from Silvermoon BECAME blood elves and that they are in the Horde and even given the reasons why? Also, isn’t the remaining non-blood elf/high-elf population super low with no actual leader?
For a long time the high elfs were interbreeding with humans and making half elves that were heavily underutilized in the story and faced discrimination issues.
They have done nothing to increase the numbers of the race and weren’t even involved with restoring silvermoon.
Numbers began to increase significantly during the cata expansion with lore being given to bloof elf warriors that it was due to the increased numbers being born since they joined the horde.
The void elves are a developing plot point, their numbers have been rising but they don’t represent the future of the species. They also only exist due to the numbers of the horde’s blood elves.
Its also the only way it can make sense since only blood elves are popping out pure babies.
My basis is that they haven’t really done anything of particular note other then exist for like… 6 expansions.
To clarify: Are we using the extent lore or not? Because the lore has shown that the high elves aren’t especially compelling or interesting (or even effective at anything other then ethnic cleansing dalaran).
Theoverwhelming narrative and aesthetic of wc3 and WoW has portrayed the alliance a stereotypical good guys.
Also re: garithos, he apparently had nothing to do with the pure undiluted simps that OP and others have such an obsession with because those elves were apparently nowhere near any of the events of TFT since the high elves represented in that story were the ones who would go on to become the Sindorei.
This has been my interpretation of what happened to the “alliance high elves”; the extent rendorei would have been pretty much unilaterally more combat ready given the circumstances of their research (IE guards, mages, shadow priests, ect.) and their innate void powers would be seen as a powerful edge.
Beyond that, at this point Umbric would understand how to inoculate his bretheren with the void to replicate the process in a more controlled manner then what the first batch had to deal with.
It’s one of the few rng actually visual racial buffs and sure ends up being kinda bleh because of it sometimes.
Either a toggle to have control or the ability to turn off the effect visual or change it to arcane or perhaps the phase diving look would, I think, go a long way for a lot of high elf folk who find it bothersome.
6 expansions ago they drove a major plot point largely on their own, but they’ve appeared since. Participating in the siege of Suramar, the Fourth War (including its end), the defense of Azeroth against the Maw’s forces and the expedition to Khaz Algar.
You can say “there’s nothing here of particular note,” but the Fourth War participation alone is notable. They are literally the most prominently featured non-playable member race of either faction.
It also ignores how Blizzard does development. Not everyone gets consistent development, or even consistently shown. High Elves have.
You can keep saying this, but it’s entirely subjective (and coming from someone who finds Void Elves interesting, something I tend to dismiss outright), and misses the point I’m making here. High Elves have been a force against the way Blizzard has written the Alliance. The Silver Covenant in particular has resisted the Lawful Stupid bat that the rest of the faction has been beaten with.
You can say that in an attempt to give yourself wiggle room, but that’s not what you started out as saying, so let me remind you:
And more importantly, Warcraft 3’s Alliance was less “nice and good” than Warcraft II’s.
No, because that point of argument chain was going back to you saying:
“Who cares? Why does it actually matter?”
In response to when I argued that the elves of Quel’Thalas have now been a long-held Horde race. To that of which I then provided the comparison to how it’d feel if a situation was reversed and applied on the opposing of a long-held race on said-faction, hence the humans mention …
An extremely slim populace of the majority.
Those who identify as ‘High Elves’ are SO tremendously few – They’re regarded as an all but extinct namesake.
Source: Night of the Dragon, pg. 7
Void Elves, at the very least — You can better argue were former Blood Elves in combination of the very few left who’d formerly identified as High Elves, who can re-create the process of recruiting more to the Void Elf kind, through void-transfusions or something a rather.
But as for the High Elves and the very home kingdom of elves overall?
Quel’Thalas stands with the Horde.
As does 99% of the High Elf population – Now renamed: ‘BLOOD ELVES’
Soooo …
One small village
a trivial faction from a now fallen city that was notably made up of primarily human magi intermixed with BLOOD ELVES and other races
and as for the Sons of Lothar — They hardly carry a significant portion of elves, especially as of today, in the current timeline.
As already stated, those who identify as High Elves are now so few, they’re regarded as all but extinct. They’re a dying title, clinging on to the past.
That’s canon, whether you like it or not.
Whether you intend to play them or not — You’re quite literally advocating for High Elves and struggling to try justify them. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that.
You saying “Nuh uh” → doesn’t really negate all of what you’ve said and the agenda you have heavily supported throughout this entire thread.
Talking in the mirror are we?
Hmm, alright let’s see …
And most of all →
You quite LITERALLY → BY DEFINITION — Advocated for High Elves on the Alliance.
Congratulations
Upon proving to everyone on the forums that maybe you, are in fact the one who has basic literacy problems … or that you’re merely a basic liar.
Blatant liar award
You assuming everyone here can’t read either? lol
Honestly, I don’t know if I — or anyone else — should even take you seriously anymore, because you’re being repeatedly intellectually dishonest and blatantly gaslight with impunity.
Reminder: We already have High Elves in the game. They are just now Blood Elves and are a part of the Horde. They’ve also been a part of the Horde for longer than they have been with the Alliance.
Go make a Blood Elf with blonde hair and blue eyes. If you want to play on Alliance, the Void Elf is an option and you can also make them with blonde hair and blue eyes!
But as for the High Elves and the very home kingdom of elves overall?
Talking in the mirror are we?
Congratulations 
