Thank you!
Skäl!
Gets out the rest of the and some 
: settles in to enjoy the show!
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2 viewings, second helpings of âbreakfastâ and some quick references for comparison laterâŚ
Well Iâll beâŚ!
Always wondered why there were so many Rets and so few Prots.
Welp, gotta say itâŚ
Horde bias confirmed.
AGAIN.
Thinking about a character I had, back when I was mostly heals. Running a holydin was HARD: lets see how he does as Ret.
Thanks you.
Skäl
Iâm taking advantage of the xp buff to level alts while checking off my list some missing loremaster achievements. One of the stops for my LF Paladin was Terokkar (how I didnât have this after playing 15 years is beyond me), and I found Theloria Shadecloak, a High Elf questgiver for the Alliance, and since I canât link pictures Iâm gonna copy/paste her speech:
The opening of the Dark Portal brought news of my peopleâs fate. In a way, my exile shielded me from sharing in their downfall, but to see the Farstriders throw their lot with KaelâthasâŚ
I never imagined my one-time brethren capable of such a thing.
The homecoming I once dreamt of will never happen.
This forest is the only home I have left.
Outland is brimming with High Elves. And thereâs a lot of them in Northrend too.
I canât see a reason why these guys wouldnât return to the Alliance.
Back in Northrend Dalaran, what is now the Greyfang Enclave used to be the Silver Enclave. How can we ignore the fact that the Alliance representatives in Dalaran were the High Elves?
I donât even like Blood Elves, so Iâm not your typical advocate for this, but it just makes so much sense lorewise⌠But then again, lore means little at Blizzard these days so⌠I guess thereâs my answer.
Theyâve done it, but I am putting forth the idea that there are other races who have even less justification that rarely anyone complains about anymore.
Players complain about anything, news at 11.
My point being was it was almost a three expansion jump to when Blood Elves got writing again.
Im not saying they are. But the continued anti-blood elf rhetoric, whether off the cuff or intentional, does make it seem to view that the pro-high elf position is anti-blood elf and views blood elves in some way as an obstacle.
Or else there would not be serious talk of making blood elves neutral in the discord or brought up more times between these threads than should.
Having an opinion of how things should be isnt entitlement.
NB also make sense, since they are basically drug addicts like Blood Elves. They also fit more with the Blood Elf aesthetic than the Night Elf aesthetic.
They are caravan traders. Much like how goblins are cartel merchants.
The issue is vulpera barely have development other than âcute fox peopleâ.
Depends on the story.
Thats also very debateable.
You try to say its a monstery thing, I say it was because of an aesthetic introduction in Legion.
Its like a double whammy, Alliance has to fight the horde and then Everything that threatens Azeroth, Alliance always gives but gets nothing in return in this game. Horde always gains from Alliance and Devs.
I still think Horde should have won the war.
The Alliance was winning all the battles but the Horde was winning the war the same way House Lannister was winning the war despite Robb Stark winning all the battles.
By the end of it we see the war exhaustion more tilted on Alliance with Anduin doubting he could take Orgrimmar from just the Sylvanas loyalists with his own forces combined with Saurfangs.
Now with the Horde united again perhaps the Alliance is in a place where it desperately needs peace as much as the Horde does. Despite technically winning the war.
I doubt itâll ever be touched up on but thatâs why I see them calling out for peace, and why they wouldnât despite winning push such an unfavorable treaty. They won in the end nothing.
Isnât that the banshee bratâs tagline?
âYou are all NOTHING!ââ
Not even a little arrow anymore; just more absolute proof that Blizzardâs writing continues to go downhill, while we cling to the shreds of hope and fading memories of past expacs when Blizzard made games for gamers, not stockholders.
sad skäl
As a night elf fan, valshara was cringe. Watching Malfurion get kidnapped by xavius and then having to kill Ysera was definitely not a high point.
Translated: The Horde only plays a role in the story when the writers need them to be bad guys for the Alliance. If the factions are at relative peace then the Horde doesnât get story because the writers donât know how to write them non-aggressively.
I feel like the Mulgore, Durotar and Barrens quests were all pretty good for showing the Horde at peace, but theyâve never done it since.
There are fans of the aggressive Horde. The narrative isnât bad itâs subjective. Whatâs bad is they feel the need to completely shift the narrative by the end of expansion like itâs a store going out of business and they need a close out sale. You can continue the narrative through expansions and still wrap up an expansion imo.
Please explain why it is bad? clearly it is a trade-off. One that makes sense for the lore of the game.
Having everything always be equal is why the story feels so meaningless. No side can make any real gains anywhere because they arbitrarily have to be equal in every single way.
As for me wanting the alliance to have more I never said it was unfair. I am saying that the alliance deserves to take back what is theirs. It is the goal of alliance players. It is what they have wanted to see.
Of course we realize we have to fight for it however we have and we won that fight. Now we are not being given the spoils of war because of some arbitrary balance that they think needs to be maintained.
We fought for it. We won. We have earned it. If the horde wants it let them fight to take it back.
Yes, but thereâs aggressive vs evil. Genn is aggressive too, I mean he practically started a war on his own in the middle of the legion invasion because of it, but there were counterpoints that made it understandable (not right, just understandable)
Also, the complaint I was reacting to wasnât about aggression or evil, it was about story focus. And while I can get that Alliance players have problems with the way their story is written, it rubs me the wrong way for Alliance to complain that the alliance has to fight everyone because they fight the world ending threats AND the Horde. Because thatâs reflecting that when there is a world ending threat that the writing team seems to forget the Horde exists (like say look at Argus).
Thatâs fair, but I still think the aggressive darker Horde theme is a theme a lot of Horde fans like. Whether itâs Sylvanas loyalists or Garrosh fans.
And I donât really see that as a negative for Horde story telling. The negative is the way Blizzard handles it by end of expansion shaming Horde players, either commit to being aggressive or commit to being a noble savage narrative but the flip flopping is what makes the Horde story unfair to Horde players.
I also agree with you there are elements unfair to both sides so itâs unfair to portray only Alliance as being given the bad story decisions. How was it fair to Horde fans of Sylvanas to remove her from Warchief and leave it under the assumption that she is evil? A lot of people lost their favorite character or what feels like it right now anyways.
My opinion is if the Horde is going to be the perceived aggressors and have darker themes along with it so be it. If the Alliance is going to be the good faction so be it. But the Horde shouldnât only be aggressive to paint the Alliance as being good.
The story doesnât matter, Alliance are just sidekicks anyway, all the highlights are on Horde regardless of the side, good or bad, Saurfang or Sylvanas, Volâjin or Garrosh.
And in everything else Horde dominates, there are more people playing Horde, Horde also has more skilled people in any activity, they receive more cinematics, they have more quests and lore, more unique mounts, more polished zones, and cities, has more victories in low level questing, more territories, and a better racial toolkit when we compare both damage and utility effectiveness.
What else do you want? Just ask for Blizzard to remove Alliance, I would support it btw. That faction in its current state is nothing but a waste of time and resources.
Uh, excuse me? There was an easter egg that the Korkrun worshipped Brox Saurfang as a myth.
What more Horde content could you possibly expect for the final boss of the setting up till that point?
Thank you for justifying every post ever made claiming horde bias,
Skäl
Iâm not even claiming Horde bias, itâs just facts, Horde gets more stuff, and is way more popular, taking everything into account being called bad guys is a cheap bill to pay.
Youâre the one asking to smack the horde, youâre the one trying to harangue the devs into turning the Alliance into the mary sue faction and destroy the horde. Donât project your failings on to me.
Alliance AND horde deserve to have a game where they can play it and enjoy it, and speaking as a mainly horde player, that has not been the last two expansions. I mean seriously, how can you even pretend Legion wasnât the Alliance show? The majority of the class halls were Alliance race themed, and I mean, Hell, even the shaman class hall seemed to have a broken as the point person.
Thatâs just wrong. Alliance actually has one or two more unique mounts than the Horde, and they actually get UNIQUE mounts. Not this repeat of old raid mounts that the Horde gets.
Citation needed. REALLY needed.
Bull. What does the horde have that comes close to Stormwind or Ironforge?
Since when? I mean yeah, Cata brought us up to parity. Or is this more that you thought balance was when the Alliance had a lot more questing zones than the horde did?
Doesnât the Alliance (especially in ARs) have more useful racials?
Oh bite me. All the horde bias whine is is an attempt from obnoxious alliance posters to punish horde players because Blizz dared give them a few zones so that they werenât massively behind in questing experience anymore. Youâre the one looking to punish the opposing faction, not me.
Followed up by war of thorns and what will next be another let down in Shadowlands. I donât like the victim mentality, but wow has been nothing but a downer for nelfs in general. (Arguably orcs too, good races with cool back grounds that have been crapped on for blizzâs plot holes)