High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

[Valarían-hydraxis]

I think it’s possible for both. Just alter the model for high elves, and give blood elves more eye color options.

I would like the Sin’dorei reworked to show their trials and hardships a little more, more rugged, more battle scares, different tatts, they been through allot. While at the same time the Alliance High Elves keeping the original forms.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Put the Lore and story into the Models, make them reflect more like they lived the History,

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

I’d love “high elves” or just blue eyes at this point. No DK wispy eyes don’t quite count and I already have a BE DK.

It’s not something I would be upset over, but its definitely something I’m skeptical on if that makes sense, blue eyes being the marker at the end of the day really wouldn’t effect the HE request, the HE’s have a distinct narrative/personality/culture which is just a different vibe to why I love Blood Elves (personally I prefer Blood Elves, but I support HE’s because I know that narrative appeals to so many people) also I think it adds a nice deep seeded rivalry to the faction war narrative.

I’m a huge fan of new customization options in the game.

I will however be happy for you should you get blue eyes for your BE character … I AM ROOTING FOR DARK RANGER SKIN TONES FOR MY BE’S true loyalists to the Dark Lady! They’re existing comments on Golden eyes and saying if you want to choose to be cleansed from the Sunwell that you can, I think would support this being customization for those who want to use it.

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

You literally claimed you were being harassed above when all I have done is ask you questions speak to you in a civil way.

and where am I being abusive first of all?

Second of all, making false claims of something is not civil.

I asked where have I called people trolls, you refuse to provide an answer, due to the real fact is, because no, there is nowhere where I have been calling people trolls.

I asked where I have been speaking ill to others, you refuse to provide an answer, due to the real fact is, because no, there is nowhere where I have been acting ill towards others.

Its fine if you are unwilling to answer me, but dont claim victim hood because of it. Noone is fooled.

How about just stop being so obtuse.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

I would like the Sin’dorei reworked to show their trials and hardships a little more, more rugged, more battle scares, different tatts, they been through allot. While at the same time the Alliance High Elves keeping the original forms.

I would say the opposite… The Blood Elves have been through a lot rebuilding their kingdom. But they also have the luxury of having a Kingdom, not ALL Blood Elves have to be a Farstrider, a luxury their early sacrifices have afforded them.

I’m not saying all High Elves have to be a Farstrider, but they definitely do not have the luxury to support “Lord Saltheril” like people, the Blood Elf model is the majority representing model, it fits for a fit Farstrider, but it also fits for the aristocratic magic using Elves.

If anyone should be more rugged its the High Elves, who either conform to Alliance cities, or rough it on their own.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

I would say the opposite… The Blood Elves have been through a lot rebuilding their kingdom. But they also have the luxury of having a Kingdom, not ALL Blood Elves have to be a Farstrider, a luxury their early sacrifices have afforded them.

I would have to disagree with you after all they been through there would be signs of it in the people.

[Vidris-bronzebeard]

There is no positive ways to bring High Elves in the game.
They are a negative force in Azeroth.

That sounds an awful lot like an opinion.

Care to elucidate us on why you see them as a negative force?

Blood elves hang around the races of the horde that have yet to discover bathing. We smell delightful though.

The Elves of the Horde still have their cities and thus their bathing apparatus’. My people use magic to remove grime. It works wonders on the road.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

With the technology the DEVs all to often talk about, it is possible nowadays to put differences into the model to make the Alliance High Elves and Horde Sin’dorei different. (imho)

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

Anyways, I have decided to add another month of game time, because with still a great community here on the forums, I can’t walk away from that. Especially when there is some who are not on Discord.

Though, I wouldn’t exactly say everyone here on the forums is perfect, and there is some who I wouldn’t call great.

And here is my daily support for the Quel’dorei for the Alliance.

[Itoldyouso-illidan]

and where am I being abusive first of all?

Am I in the twilight zone or something? Where did I state you were abusive?

Second of all, making false claims of something is not civil.

Discussing with you the purpose of the like system and what liking inflammatory posts is.

I asked where have I called people trolls, you refuse to provide an answer, due to the real fact is, because no, there is nowhere where I have been calling people trolls.

I pointed out you have agreed on numerous times upon such terminology or been inflammatory. Or is this a case where you wish to be literal? Probably the latter.

I asked where I have been speaking ill to others, you refuse to provide an answer, due to the real fact is, because no, there is nowhere where I have been acting ill towards others.

I like how you’re throwing a red herring out and completely veering away from the original discussion. I won’t even bother giving you an answer to this part.

How about just stop being so obtuse.

You’re using terminology improperly. In no way have I been obtuse to your view, on the other hand, you have been ridiculously stubborn to answer simple questions then screaming you’ve been harassed.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

I would have to disagree with you after all they been through there would be signs of it in the people.

The Blood Elf story was about not having to rough it in regards to magic addiction. You already see it in the eyes of the people. And since their original introduction they have only been more and more solidified as a kingdom. And having a Kingdom, having a city is very much a luxury, so the fact that the default model representing the majority of the population isn’t rugged is accurate.

The High Elves have either been more Alliance conforming or Farstrider like on their own, I think the Farstrider like ones would be a point to argue the race being more rugged now.

But see we don’t even have Alliance High Elves and this is an argument that is already arguing the BE model from the BE’s which was a bit what I meant the other day about more radical ideas that explicitly steal from Blood Elf culture. I do not think someone who prefers Alliance High Elves is really should speak to ideas on what to do with Blood Elves, unless what is really meant is to steal something you want from them to give to the desired High Elves.

I’m all for High Elves but to think the Blood Elves who are in possession of their homeland, kingdom, and capital, and Sunwell, the High Elves in Alliance visit at the grace and kindness of the Blood Elves not the other way around, so to think the Blood Elves would change models to give High Elves the slim look? The High Elves are the minority, and they do not have any luxuries of being apart of Blood Elf society.

EDIT: to clarify yes a model change is supported. In the OP for High Elves. But stealing the BE model for HE’s and saying we need to find something new for BE’s isn’t something I support.

With the technology the DEVs all to often talk about, it is possible nowadays to put differences into the model to make the Alliance High Elves and Horde Sin’dorei different. (imho)

The differences need to be shown with the Alliance High Elves. Not stealing the BE model and then asking Blizzard to give the BE’s a unique model we already have one.

[Playpen-wyrmrest-accord]

There is no positive ways to bring High Elves in the game.
They are a negative force in Azeroth.

well to do it for a third time identical to the first time, yes. but high elves already happened a few are just in denial and wont accept how the story progressed and what faction it ended up on. so far, the biggest roadblock to adding alliance high elves as an allied race is their complete lack of distinction from blood elves(high elves) and that there is no new story or narrative that can be told through them then what is already being told through blood elves(who represent the race) in the game

it would be like making this tiny group of humans playable for the horde

https://imgur.com/a/j66ty5h

[Valarían-hydraxis]

Like I stated I would have to disagree with you, I feel being in the Horde and all the other things they been through would have add physical and mental scares on their minds and bodies thus making them look different then the Alliance High Elves that never went though the same ordeals.

[Nicodemùs-argent-dawn (Nicodemùs)]

The problem with your position is it would be outright doing what some anti’s fear “taking things away from Blood Elves to give to Alliance High Elves”.

That just isn’t a tenable position.

If Alliance are ever to get playable High Elves, it is those High Elves that will have to be differentiated, not Horde Blood Elves.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

Like I stated I would have to disagree with you, I feel being in the Horde and all the other things they been through would have add physical and mental scares on their minds and bodies thus making them look different then the Alliance High Elves that never went though the same ordeals.

I would like the Sin’dorei reworked to show their trials and hardships a little more, more rugged, more battle scares, different tatts, they been through allot. While at the same time the Alliance High Elves keeping the original forms.

So to be clear you are arguing for the BE model for High Elves.

And think the Blood Elves are the ones that need to be worked in??

Having Silvermoon and their kingdom is a luxury. Not everyone has to be a Farstrider. They can support poets, magisters, Lord Saltherils, auctioneers, bankers, priests, a plethora of society. Because they have their kingdom and they sacrificed by using Fel all those years ago, they have a kingdom now, not everyone needs to be a Farstrider.

The High Elves are the ones who need to do something. In societies if you’re a people with no kingdom, you genuinely have to work a bit harder to survive, to fit in to feel useful. Not everyone in BE society has to be useful that’s part of the luxury of having their homeland, and being solidified.

Blood Elf culture and personality has already shifted to be more Horde. More pragmatic. That doesn’t display in a model change. If anything they’ve had it easy with Forsaken being so close and helping patrol Ghostlands and being so far from other threats now that the scourge was driven out.

[Saraslam-frostmourne]

The Blood Elf story was about not having to rough it in regards to magic addiction.

The Blood Elf story that we see in game is actually about what happens to them after they reclaim Quel’thalas. In the full story (Both in Eversong Woods and Ghostlands), it actually takes place before they did join the Horde, and goes about what they did in order to help with there magic addiction during the Sunwell’s destruction, and what they have done to the remaining undead scourge. It wasn’t until TBC zones where we get to the part where the Draenei helped them with the restoration of the Sunwell, purifying it to become both Holy and Arcane magic.

[Valarían-hydraxis]

So to be clear you are arguing for the BE model for High Elves.

The same model is being used for both already, So who has a rougher time the Sin’dorei or the Alliance High Elves?

[Nicodemùs-argent-dawn (Nicodemùs)]

But your basically saying that their model should change so you can keep what they currently have. That just isn’t realistic to ask for. Its positions like that which engender enmity from certain anti’s and justified enmity imo.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

But even up until the point of the return of the Sunwell. The use of Fel was used to mitigate hardship felt by the people. Now with the Sunwell, and the kingdom more stable every expansion as I assume with Easter egg dialogues between Lor’themar he never talks about it being in peril. In fact Thalyssra’s dialogue was something to the effect of “I’ve talked to Halduron and Rommath Quel’thalas will be fine” the regent lord taking time to visit Suramar is a luxury displayed by a Kingdom that has luxuries. Blood Elves have worked hard, but the model change being talked about doesn’t represent the majority of the people, what is being proposed by someone is that it’s the Blood Elves who all need to be more Farstrider like.

And societies that have the luxury to support a plethora of people, that isn’t accurate. The Alliance high elves have mages, and Farstriders yes. But they are a people with no kingdom, they have no luxury of supporting people who just want to study, or people who want to bankers, or artisans, because they have no kingdom. So the model change to display a more rugged life style has to come from them.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

The same model is being used for both already, So who has a rougher time the Sin’dorei or the Alliance High Elves?

I would say they suffered the same time, but the perseverance and ingenuity of mitigating the hardships and pragmatism displayed by the Blood Elves, have afforded them luxuries as shown by having Quel’thalas.

I am a history major, I know when societies stopped being mobile and became city like they had the luxury of supporting all walks of people, not everyone has to struggle.

The Alliance High Elves having no large kingdom, and smaller locations and or just being refugees is indicative of a society that has to struggle more.

So if you’re questioning who struggled more, it isn’t accurate. The questions should be who succeeded past the struggles and can now solidify themselves again as a grounded people, the Blood Elves.