No one cares about Silvermoon, nor do we want the Blood Elves themselves. We simply want the High Elves, that are factually in the Alliance right this minute in tons of different towns and cities, to be a legitimate playable race and not a piggyback customization option off of Void Elves.
That means no purple void racial, no Void Elf tag under your name, no void elf heritage armor or void chicken, the ability to be a Paladin, and some form of official racial capital or district in Stormwind, as well as an official leader and faction.
Hopefully they do it in Midnight and get it over with. You know for a fact that the High Elves and Void Elves will be the Alliance’s representatives in Quel’thalas. If Horde get Forest Trolls, you bet Alliance will get High Elves.
If Garithos is the primary reason the Blood Elves became Horde, then I have no idea how Horde Night Elves would be justified when the Horde chopped down their forests and killed Cenarius on first contact in WC3.
Dude come on. “That’s quite an ignorant view you have of these pixel cultures, perhaps do some basic research into non western sewage systems and cure your media created racism. This isn’t a dig at you but I’m heavily implying you’re racist and uneducated.”
Sorry man, I’ll make sure I produce a 5 page essay about the intricacies of how tribal waste disposal was on par or superior to that to western civilization on this video game forum. All I’m saying, regardless of whatever cultures certain races or factions just happen to be based on, blizzard’s worldbuilding poses questions about daily life in WoW.
I’m a history lover and world builder, so when you have a faction of undead, I’m going to think about how that works and how it affects others. Visually they are grotesque walking corpses, actually imagine having to talk or eat around a rotting corpse. Or smell them in an enclosed space. Or sleep. Some are mentally unstable and enjoy death, do they have a negative impact on the mental health of other Horde members? They don’t produce much clean food or water, how easy or hard is it to get food in Forsaken lands? Do other Horde races feel like the Forsaken aren’t producing their fair share food wise while the other Horde factions struggle with resources? How does someone actually stand visiting the Undercity, a sewer city filled with undead and toxic sludge?
Or when you take a faction of nomadic cow people, and have them settled on a Mesa city in less than 50 years, I’m going to ask about how cleanly it is to do that. Because there is no sewer system, and there is no river to build a latrine downstream from. And they are no longer nomadic, so the ol’ nomadic dig a hole and cover it up method, while possible, would still require you to leave your house, walk across the city to the elevator, and wander around until you think you found a spot that doesn’t look used by the other thousands of Tauren who are presumably going down there multiple times a day. So unless they stuff it all in the mushroom cave, I’m assuming they toss it over the side. And a city of large COW people, the largest race in the game, probably produces a lot. Therefor, the bottom of Thunderbluff is probably a nightmare.
As per my previous post, a bit of internalized racism (which I outright said rather than implied) is kinda the norm more so than not. Mostly because media often portrays such things as fairly filthy in general ignoring that people have literally always had ways to deal with our bodily waste.
Truly I do think you should just as a matter of improving your ability to world build as you say you do a little later on here.
Given that most of the rest of what you posted really doesn’t address anything else but rather just doubles down on your words I won’t go back over it.
I do kinda feel like, again, pointing out that since WoW doesn’t actually ever address their sewage for anyone, Alliance included, its really a moot point regardless. We can only assume. But like… they all have magic so for all we know they just use that to make the problem disappear.
Still if you’re so into world building and history then Stormwind isn’t going to smell any better than any of the Hordes holdings and I hope you can see how contradictory you are here in that regard.
Yeah I remember those high elf models back in vanilla, they look like albino night elves.
There was also a high elf faction called “Silvermoon Remnant” that popped up in patch 1.6.0 but then it was removed.
If you’re older, high elves been part of Alliance players experience since WC2. That’s why it is shocking why Blizzard refuses to add a core Alliance race to the game.
They began to withdraw over disagreements with the internment camps and that Quel’thalas was being made to participate in helping to pay for things like those camps and the rebuilding…
They didn’t entirely leave the Alliance of Lordaeron until it fell apart and was reorganized into the Grand Alliance with Stormwind at the head. Mostly cause Garithos tried to kill Kael’thas and well… trying to kill your allied countries king does tend to put a damper on continued agreements to support one another.
“I have seen war, Sylvanas. So have your parents. It is a horrible thing. The troll attacks already cost us, in lives, and in the faith of our people that we will keep them safe. This is not our war.”
You just said the nation. But that ignores the fact that many High Elves did not agree with the nation and stayed with the Alliance. There were many High Elves living in Alliance lands whether or not their homeland was in the Alliance or not. There’s Allerian Stronghold High Elves, Dalaran High Elves, Stormwind High Elves, Farstrider Lodge High Elves, and probably more.
Blizz clearly knows they’re a core Alliance race. They were Alliance friendly in Vanilla, had a whole Alliance town in BC named after Alleria, they’re our patron faction in Dalaran and the Argent Tournament, they represent the Alliance in Cata with Zul’Aman, they show up again in MoP to counter the Sunreavers on the Isle of Thunder, in Legion they assist in liberating Suramar. Arthas has High Elf priests with him in the Culling of Stratholme, the unethical adventurers quest in Highmountain has a group of OG Alliance races except with a High Elf instead of a Dwarf, they continued to add them as portal keepers in BFA, there’s High Elves scattered around Alliance settlements in Dragonblight, their siege weapons were at the siege of orgrimmar, etc.
I’m curious… why did you post this quote bereft of the context behind it?
Regardless of his initial reluctance or disinclination to want to continue to be part of it he was part of the Alliance of Lordaeron not long after he says this and remained part of it until his death.
And Blizzard added blood elf NPCs to almost every Horde town during Cataclysm. Stonard, Grom’gol base camp, Orgrimmar, Undercity and so on. Also the other large base of the Horde in TBC intro is blood elf aligned too.
Sure, I’m just not sure what that has to do with the conversation… It doesn’t change that he joined the Alliance and thus Quel’thalas was part of the Alliance and it still did not leave the Alliance despite their misgivings and dislike of being part of it until much much later.
Also obligatory we don’t have a real feel on how many of the general public of the High Elves were for or against the Alliance. Anasterian we know for sure how he felt as well as a few higher ups. Not a lot to my knowledge about the general elven populace beyond the general “Elven haughtiness and thinking humans are lesser” stuff that is always present.
Well yeah…Blood Elves joined the Horde and became playable, so they added Blood Elf npcs everywhere. Makes sense.
High Elves on the other hand, are clearly in Blizzard’s vision as a core Alliance race and have been included over the years on almost every continent, in multiple expansions, have been in the Alliance AS INDIVIDUALS longer than the Blood Elves have been in the Horde, and get more screen time than some playable Alliance races. So I don’t see the issue with Alliance High Elves becoming (fully) playable. Especially as we begin to head into an expansion about Quel’thalas and whenever we do anything Blood Elf related, the High Elves are there to represent the Alliance.
I don’t think it really matters one way or another anyhow about Quel’thalas leaving the Alliance, how long they were apart of it, the King’s views, etc.
Regardless of any of that, after Quel’thalas left post WC2, High Elves were playing a notable role in the Alliance from WC3 until the present day. That’s all the justification they need to be playable. It’s a lot more solid and deep rooted than some of the current allied races.
I don’t really get why anyone can play this game and not understand why folk want to be able to play high elves for the Alliance. They’re dangled actively in front of us through several expansions.
I don’t either. I think in many cases it’s just trolling and pretending not to understand. There’s people who put all of their time and effort into trying to deny this specific race to the Alliance (and fought tooth and nail over denying the customization options for Void Elves) rather than putting that time and effort into actually requesting things that they want for Blood Elves or whatever Horde races they want stuff for.
In some way it’s why these High Elf threads get so popular. You don’t see this level of trying to “deny” things when people want things like Forest Trolls, Ogres or even a human style model for undead.
Because high elf fans chose to be extra annoying about it. There is only ONE big topic for the other races but the ego of high elf fans is so huge they have nor running 4 of them at the same time.
