We are of a like mind, it has been my chief complaint regarding the allied races.
People get so caught up in getting new customization options through Allied races when they should demand those options for the base race, and the allied races should be significantly different.
Kul tirans are amazingly well done, it is a shame many dislike them.
I mean all I am seeing is you saying āBut Blood Elves are the real High Elvesā Cause you keep hammering that Blood Elves still uphold most High Elf Traditions (debatable) while High Elves have renounced to them.
Iām trying to say that Blood Elves and High Elves share a common past, and that they are both entitled to parts of that legacy, but you simply reply that no, Blood Elves still are practically the same and High Elves have abandoned their thalassian roots completely.
And letās be clear, even if the Blood Elves were exactly the same pre third war thalassian elves, Modern High Elves still would be connected to that same legacy, you donāt get to strip that from them because thereās a cultural overlap.
No modern Blood Elven Farstrider use tattoos, yet to still claim it belongs to them when presented the notion that playable High Elves could use them for differentiation. But if the thing is that you donāt care about differentiation at all, then alright I guess. Iām not claiming that tattos should be a high elf thing, my point is that they could be used for differentiationās sake.
And again, regardless of our disagreement of how close Blood Elves are to those pre-third war HEās, the point is that High Elves still are allowed to observe their own legacy even in a fragmented form.
Sure, as long as the HE looking VEās are explicitly linked to lore to the HEās that have never left the alliance. It wouldnāt be ideal, but Iād live with it, specially when most Modern High Elves havenāt been shown to be focused on the light (save for the Highvale, hence why not ideal)
Also give Blood Elves beards, everyone deserves a good beard.
I do not understand this fixation of wanting thalassian elves who never left the alliance. Blood elves did not actively work alongside the Horde until WotLK where Sylvanas had to blackmail them into providing forces, as the entirety of TBC was spent working with the alliance and other forces to stop kaelāthas and re-ignite the sunwell.
Soā¦why is it so important to have an elven race who never left stormwind city, if they share the exact same past as the blood elves? The only difference being they obeyed King Anasterian to withdraw?
I mostly dislike how limited the facial choices for them are 
you canāt be a young looking make Kulātiran, and thereās little face shape difference overall.
Luckily my Kulātiran is old so thatās good, but yeah.
so because tattoos werent a customization option until legion and because blizzard hasnt gone back to update a few npc models with tattoos. you assume the farstriders have abandoned a core theme? 
agitating for void elves with high/blood elf customization proves its not about lore but the aesthetic as a void elf is still a void elf
Some people are invested on the factionsā lore and appreciate loyalty?
I get if itās not your cup of tea, but it should be apparent why other people could see the appeal of that.
Specially when a lot of HEās suffered from the Second War as much as the other alliance races did, Elves like Alleria and Vereesa who lost most of their family to the orcs.
Itās like saying that why would humans be pissed at a group of them that joined the horde willingly.
Or contrastingly, saying that the Blood Elves have no right to be pissed at the humans and Dalaran for Garithos hence no reason for being Horde in the first place.
Itās all about the lines drawn in the sand.
Iād agree that theyāre pretty well done, all things considered.
Itās possible that their lukewarm reception has something to do with the fact that players had been asking for Vrykul for like ~12 years, but instead Blizzard elected to implement something else entirely ā which is a somewhat peculiar decision, considering that the workload wouldāve been nearly identical for both options, but Vrykul wouldāve been much more likely to be well-received purely based upon the fact that theyāre one of the more highly requested races.
Not to mention that they decided to go with KT, then immediately made it clear via the narrative elements of 8.0, 8.1, and 8.1.5 that the Drust (i.e. Vrykul) are still active in the body politic of Kul Tiras to this day. Itās basically the same situation as Blizzard adding Void Elves, but then continuing to utilize High Elf NPCās. 
Also, Fyre, though youāve removed the post about the Alliance only liking or wanting āpretty racesā, Iāve got to say I find that assertion to be somewhat unsubstantiated. If you go look at polls on like MMO-C or the archived official forums from before the new style was implemented, itās generally agreed that Night Elf Male is one of the least attractive models in the game and that Human Males are high on the list of unsightly creatures. Yet, these two groups are the most popular on the Alliance ā suggesting people play them for their underlaying aesthetic and not specifically for appearance (precisely the opposite problem that exists for BEās, who make up over 1/3rd of the Horde).
most of their extended family was killed by the scourge. she blames the horde for rhonins death
Fire, I already told you many times Iām done with your incoherences and bad faith and downright bad arguments.
Like how can I have any respect of you when I say āIād be okay with HE options for VEās as long as it is explicitly stated to be High Elves of the Alliance joining themā and you going all gotcha saying āsee itās all about the looks!ā?
This is just mindbogglinglyā¦ sigh. Seriously, just stop, I canāt keep repeating this, find someone else to fling your āargumentsā to, cause Iām just done with you.
void elves are not high/blood elves they arent what you claim you want
the only way for them to get this customization is if they swallow a naaru like alleria
youre the one claiming the farstriders abandoned a core theme with no lore in game or out to back it up
This is why you donāt argue with trolls.
I really struggle with just giving up on anybody and call them trolls, but yeah, Iām done.
But yeah, Iām just done trying to argue in good faith with people that donāt understand the minimum of nuance in We could use this unused theme for High Elves since we havenāt seen it in game so BEās arenāt loosing anything
Most of her family was killed by orcs during the 2nd war. The one Windrunner brother was one of these as well. The scourge came during the 3rd war and killed majority of the elves. The Windrunners were already down to the sisters pretty much.
How are high elves loyal though? Their people literally died trying to protect the sunwell, and they stood back and laid judgement. Afterwards, they did nothing to assist in re-igniting the sunwell, while the blood elves and Dranei worked together to do so.
Furthermore, the high elves did formerly leave the alliance twice in the past. It is along the same lines as claiming Japan betrayed Germany by allying with the U.S. after leaving the Axis power after WW2.
it makes no logical to sense to say āwell high elves have always been loyal to the allianceā when it is only remnants of the high elves who betrayed their kingās order and betrayed their people when they were needed most. It becomes a way of trying to color the matter as being about loyalty, when outsider looking in, it looks more along the lines of desertion.
The matters of blood elves being upset with Dalaran over Garithos is very different, because Dalaran had a relationship with Silvermoon and failed to assist them twice despite that close relationship. That is certainly betrayal given this relationship was maintained after the events of WC2 where the high elves left the alliance.
Furthermore, here is the matter of concern.
Can you really be upset that the void elves accepted the help of the Horde to restore their kingdom in TBC before returning to the alliance due to being unfairly exiled?
That would be like, being upset Japan accepted the U.S. aid in restoring itself after WW2.
The alliance was in no position to assist, so why would those of the alliance be hateful that the blood elves turned to the Horde out of necessity?
You get my point? As much as the virtue of loyalty is spoken, from the other side of things, the actions of the high elves were treasonous and pretty damaging to their own people. Particularly when you have characters such as Alleria and Vareesa who do not consider the alliance their home, but Silvermoon.
is there a source for this? i dont recall, im not saying its not true id just like to read it in context for myself
Yep, which is why i generally hate allied races. I do believe Blizzard really missed the mark by not implementing Vrykul as a race. ogres have limitations I get it butā¦cmon
The book Beyond the Dark Portal. It talks about the orcs that went as far as Quelāthalas and killed a lot of elves.
yea i just looked up lirath you were right. i forgot about this
tal i apologize for that one
You can have a Heart.
No probs. WoW has a lot of lore. Its tough to keep track of everything lol