Hey, you. Yeah, you. Read only half of this

You can read only half of this post. And if you’re reading this sentence, you’ve already made a commitment. You need to promise yourself, right now, that you won’t read any further than 50% of this thread. That’s two paragraphs, three sentences each, for a total of six sentences (you’ve read three so far).

It’s a shame, though–the next two paragraphs are really great. I get really personal in them, confess some feelings that have changed, even admit a few occasions where I’ve been wrong and that sort of thing just doesn’t happen. But you decided to read these two paragraphs, instead, and that’s where we’re at.

But if you held out long enough to read these next two paragraphs, let me say that with time, I’ve actually come around to really enjoying the faction war. I think the execution of it is super clumsy and thoroughly biased toward the Horde, but the payoff is a rich sense of identity that’s hard to come by elsewhere. I do really like FF14, but it’s hard to feel like you get a lot of room to be more complicated than some good guy.

Having gone through Dragonflight now, I feel almost like I’ve been scammed. Like I signed up for a game that had a clear vision of who and what it was and that was enough to anchor me through a lot of expansions–as bad as the game got, it still felt like Warcraft. So it’s a very surreal experience to play Dragonflight–which has the best gameplay and mechanics WoW’s seen in a long time–and have it feel like I’m playing The Sims With Daggers.

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I’ll agree not to read the second half of your post if you start paying my sub by Thursday.

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I read the first and last paragraph, not sure if the middle paragraphs segue neatly into that Dragonflight review or what

Anyway, thank you for the post. I enjoy these posts instructing us to read all, none, or some. I hope they continue for exciting new fractions, like thirds of posts, or even requests to read the post multiple times.

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I legit started reading the bottom two paragraphs to be cool and edgy, and :open_mouth: (then I read the top two. I lost the game)

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Agreed.

See I think that’s what I enjoy most about the war, or at least some sort of faction conflict, and why I advocate for it. I kind of enjoy playing around with subjective morality, especially in character. It doesn’t take a complex moral position to attack the Lich King, or Deathwing, etc. But the war… from an RP perspective it can be quite fun justifying it in your character’s head. Or outright opposing it. There’s room for a complex range of moral positions, there’s room for characters to be very flawed, influenced by their obvious biases. MoP and BFA were my favourite expansions to RP in for this reason. (I dodged the Kor’kron drama. I was newish to the server and pretty much exclusively Alliance at the time, so I’m not trying to downplay that sh*tstorm but there were genuinely some nice moments)

For instance, Sarestha here claims to be a very good person. A Paladin of Lordaeron, living life according to the Three Virtues of the Light. But when it came to the war, her nationalistic view of Forsaken sovereignty overrode her morals. The blighting of Southshore? That was necessary - Stormwind-backed aggressors sought to use it as a launch point for invasion. To protect the integrity of Lordaeron, a decisive strike, followed by salted earth, was necessary. Years later she had deeply mixed feelings about Teldrassil but her devotion to the Banshee Queen made her justify it in her head - well, a protracted occupation would have likely been hard on the night elves AND our own forces. What we did was a mercy killing. You get the idea. In Sarestha’s head she’s a good person, with clear justifications for her immoral acts. Yet… in reality, there’s a dark, twisted, fanatical side to her that brings out the absolute worst.

On allyside I had, among other characters, Harronar, a High Elf hunter. (Back when we had to play them on humans with fancy hairstyles :sob: ) He was a MoP inspiration; despising what had become of his people he was a firmly devoted member of the Silver Covenant. In his mind there was no difference between the actions of Kael’thas and Lor’themar. Both took the fel. Both aligned with enemies of Quel’thalas. And the situation with the Divine Bell was the last straw - the “sin’dorei” had made it clear that they were no better than Wretched, and their decision to hide behind their new Sunwell and pretend to ignore the atrocities of the past was mere cowardice. They are fel-corrupted enemies, like Wretched. They must be put down like Wretched. And so he was (and is I guess though I don’t really play him anymore) particularly adversarial to the Horde.

Those are some of the more extreme examples. I also had characters who were more ambivalent, characters who had a side but were willing to cooperate with the enemy in cases like Vol’jin and Saurfang’s revolutions, and so on. But damn it it was nice to be able to, with in-game prompts and inspiration, construct a morality more complex than “I, hero of Azeroth, will defeat evil villain #547829.”

I find the hand-holding of Dragonflight sincerely jarring, especially after the atrocities of the past. I’ll go so far as to say I think it’s a missed opportunity to give the Alliance some spotlight. They nearly won the war. AGAIN. And yet their King made an unsatisfying peace deal, created internal divisions within the Alliance (damn I wish they explored the kaldorei discontent with Anduin more) and then just up and disappeared. I say this as someone who likes Anduin as a character, but I want anti-Anduin sentiment. I want calls to return to war, and take back old Alliance territories. Instead… we got the peace, love and happiness of Dragonflight.

I could understand, to a point, if it was just the excited archaeologists. You know, Naldea and Toddy vibing over cool Titan Artifacts. That’s fine, that’s whatever. There’s always been neutral-minded people, reflected in the Cenarion Circle, Argents, etc. But what bugs me is it’s also the soldiers. It seems to be literally everyone. The Alliance and Horde captains from Exile’s Reach have nothing but good things to say about each other. Lillian Voss, who murdered more than her fair share of Alliance, seems to have developed a close friendship with Shandris Feathermoon, the leading General of a people who lost a significant portion of their population to Lillian’s people. The Forsaken eagerly help the Gilneans reclaim their homeland (in a frankly awful storyline where the Scarlets are used as a narrative piñata with no context because Blizz didn’t know who else to put in Gilneas. Spoiler alert, could’ve been Forsaken. Or feral worgen. Aargh!), which prompts Genn-fricking-Greymane, the Alliance’s last real warmonger, to abdicate because he realises he’s too much of a boomer now, not tolerant and inclusive enough.

Honestly, it drives me mad. I like things about Dragonflight. I sincerely do. Heck next to Shadowlands it’s like comparing mouldy bread with a three course meal. It’s not a bad expansion. But… I’m not happy with what they’ve done to faction identity, by essentially completely stripping it away. I’m not even saying that every expansion needs to, or should, focus around a faction war. Frankly I think I’d prefer cold war vibes, with some genuine optimism and calls for peace, but some deep discontent, some scars that haven’t healed, and maybe some skirmishes between radicals that justify things like PvP. But the Dragonflight transition has been jarring and frustrating to me, sincerely, and for that reason alone Dragonflight gets a pretty “meh” rating from me.

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Impossible unless you tell us where the exact half way word break is in the post. Otherwise, we’ll need to count words. And then we’re over half.

Also, you can’t tell me what to do. I read various sentences in the post. So there. Nyaaah.

suplex

That was a pretty good read. Unfortunately, I seemed to have blacked out after finishing the first half and I’m getting intense migraines on subsequent attempts, so I guess I’ll never know what the other half says.

On a totally unrelated note, I’ve always felt the faction conflict held a lot of untapped narrative potential and, much as I’ve disliked how it’s been handled, I’d kind of hate to see it gone from WoW entirely. I just wish the more vocal supporters of it didn’t act like bainlets half the time (any iteration of a statement emphasizing the word ‘war’ in Warcraft instantly loses all credibility to me), but I digress.

I hold out hope that one day the devs will find the means to bring it back into the fold somehow and write like they actually want it to be there and be developed, rather than the cyclical slop we had before.

Addendum:

Upon further consideration, perhaps it would be possible to recreate the feeling of original faction conflict with another between us and a comparable npc faction. The Iron Horde, in retrospect, had a lot of potential to call upon similar vibes of the Alliance and Horde conflict, but with all players on the same side. Perhaps if it were portrayed in a way that’s more similar to how the player factions are, rather than the Burning Legion but with uncorrupted Orcs instead of demons (or I guess the original Horde sans demonic influence), it would make for a situation similar to when we fight each other.

Perhaps in such a situation, instead of making this antagonist faction playable, which would be a grand undertaking that undermines the point, we could allow players to work alongside that faction, covertly opposing their faction or the other in service of the enemy; providing something of a remix of past dynamics.

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It annoyed me that this questline involved Shandris and Lillian when it would have been both more reasonable and more interesting to do something very similar with Shandris and Delaryn Summermoon instead. Delaryn is even present in the Emerald Dream at the time – to no apparent purpose, since nobody ever talks to her.

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After all these years I think I have made it abundantly clear that little undead brain worms inside my head that tell me what to do all have ADD and are incapable of reading posts longer than a few sentences and that they also struggle with proper speling grammar and punctuation so I am just not going to

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And nobody ever will. She is the only Night Elf with a British accent and we all think that’s messed up.

Is that why her offering was the only one Tyrande didn’t use?

Cold.

We Night Elves have cultivated a distinctly overwrought community theater accent and her existence ruins that.

i didnt read any of this, do i win a prize

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No, because the instructions said you had to read some of it.

instructions are for the sheep. wake up #theramorewasinside

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I read the title and went right to this reply. I don’t feel I am qualified to type anything regarding this post.

For the Alliance!

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If I pay your sub, I should be allowed to create a character for you and direct you, Coppola-like, in their day to day life as you play them.

I followed the rules. I have no idea what the rest of the post was about. ^-^/

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i don’t miss the faction conflict. sure Garrosh was cool and all but sylvanas killed my love of the alliance and the horde.

i follow illidan now. at least my fail father won’t disappoint me because everything he does is terrible. he’s not around to tell me what to do, so even better.

remember, i’m not a neutral illidari RP’er in the sense that i’m friends with both factions. i’m a neutral illidari RP’er in the sense that if either of you walks too close to the “destroy Azeroth” button ever again, you are being eyebeamed. i do not care what color your tabard is. get eyebeamed.

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I just want to know where you got that groovy hat?

Nevermind. Looked a wee bit closer and it’s just your hairstyle.

You really missed out.